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["sixdegrees" <sixdegrees@baynet.net>]

greetings, I visit the backwoodshome site regularly. I even read the guns articles but do not own any firearms. I am interested in survival, i.e, the lost in the woods survival not the hunker in the bunker kind. Especially as I send time in the "bush" working on habitat restoration.   I came to Permaculture through a search for a solution to poverty and hunger. I was and still am a community activist involved in the local peace coalition and social justice committees as well as other community groups.

 

Bob Ewing

http://www.urbanpermaculture.net

 

 

 

From: Marimike6@cs.com

To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org

Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re: Web site of the month

In a message dated 5/27/2003 12:46:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, charles@growfood.org writes:

It is a cool website with lots of cool info on renewable energy and self
reliant food production but it definitely has a "bunker in the woods" feel
to it.  I'm not surprised that a computer program looking out for weapons
info would stop this site from coming through.

  This leads me to a question about this list.  I'm your classic peace
activist, multiculturalist, anti-gun, college student who is interested in
permaculture as a way of respecting mother earth but I have heard the idea
expressed that a lot of permies are more into the survivalist, pro-gun, the
governments out to get us type of thing.   What are people's thoughts on
the culture part of permaculture?  Who do we really speak for and to?

   I'm not asking this in order to put down any one else's way of life but
I'm curious as to how people got into the world of permaculture if they
didn't come to it the same way I did.

    Charlie Knoles

My guess is that almost everyone coming into the country finds that some of their neighbors are gun toting beer guzzling yee haws, some are earth loving gentle folk and others fall somewhere in between on the grand spectrum. Part of life is learning how to live with everybody who isn't just like us.

For me, wisdom lies in the art of declining an invitation to go out into the woods to smoke dope and shoot guns with the neighbors-- and declining with enough tact that you aren't considered some weirdo foreigner.

I'd be interested in finding out our personal orientations too. On earlier topics we've found quite a diversity of opinion on all sorts of subjects. But the site I recommended has a good bit of practical country-living knowledge as well as a decided gun-culture inclination.

>Wow. Your site must be a real threat to something... The school district I
>work for has blocked it:
>
>"http://www.backwoodshome.com/ has been categorized as Weapons. It has
>been blocked per your organization's Internet Usage Policy ."
>
>Considering we had a student come to school with 18 home made bombs and a
>few guns one morning, I guess the admin is kinda touchy.
>
>Darn, my backwoods home has no internet access and my workplace is
>censored.

I've seen a lot worse. Your library filter must be tuned pretty fine in picking out 'weapons' talk, like the sex filters that disallow a breast cancer site because it contains the word 'breast'. These folks at backwoodshome.com like their guns all right, and would give you a hard time if you came over to get 'em from them, but they don't advocate the armed overthrow of our government and seem pretty innocuous compared to the militia movements and the racist apocalyptics.

By the way Mr Ashcroft, if you're reading this, I don't advocate the overthrow of the government either. You're a good government. I've always admired you. Please don't put me in jail.

Mike Elvin

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