permaculture

["darren simo" <wannafarm@hotmail.com>]

Jamie,
There are far more levels within Permaculture than these two extremes. But I 
tend to think that if Permaculture is going to get a real ground swell out 
in the general community, that Mark's (and my own) points of view are much 
more exceptable than commandments that thou must do things this way.
Mankind is pretty much a selfish creature and many will look at the “what’s 
in it for me” point view first and foremost. Try to take away their comforts 
& money, all you will get is a negative result. Better by far to offer 
alternatives and positives and slowly bring people around to a cleaner, 
greener point of view. Let them see how things can be done just as well, if 
not better with an organic approach.
Just my 2 cents worth
Regards
Darren



> From: "jamie" <jamie@tiscali.fr>
> Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: RE: [permaculture] Loose ends, second thoughts
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:43:02 +0100
>
> Über Hippy! I recognise the reductionism implicit in much modern thought,
> but have the choices of a permaculturalist really been reduced to being 
> Mark
> Ludwig or an Über Hippy?
>
> Jamie
> Souscayrous
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-admin@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-admin@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of darren simo
> Sent: jeudi 12 décembre 2002 17:05
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Loose ends, second thoughts
>
> Hi Mark,
> I nearly always agree with your posts both here and in grazersedge.
> Unfortunately I have great trouble catching up with current posts and I'm
> often weeks behind the debate so unable to support you.
> It is always nice to see someone who is trying to be realistic about
> improving the world, instead of this pie in the sky idealism (all or 
> nothing
> attitude) which as you keep pointing out is just as likly to scare people
> away than encourage them toward improving the world for everyone.
> Keep up the good work Mark and know that your not the only one on list who
> sees thing with out the uber-hippy point of view.
> Regards
> Darren


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