permaculture

["darren simo" <wannafarm@hotmail.com>]

Hi Mark,
I nearly always agree with your posts both here and in grazersedge. 
Unfortunately I have great trouble catching up with current posts and I'm 
often weeks behind the debate so unable to support you.
It is always nice to see someone who is trying to be realistic about 
improving the world, instead of this pie in the sky idealism (all or nothing 
attitude) which as you keep pointing out is just as likly to scare people 
away than encourage them toward improving the world for everyone.
Keep up the good work Mark and know that your not the only one on list who 
sees thing with out the uber-hippy point of view.
Regards
Darren



> From: Mark Ludwig <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
> Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] Loose ends, second thoughts
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:55:34 -0600
>
> A few things I have been thinking about regarding earlier posts...
>
> Liquid manure/biogass effluent - Though I'm pretty sure the rates of 
> application I listed should be OK in general, at least early on it would be 
> valuable to test the effluent at least for N and apply accordingly.  
> Another aspect is the method of application, much in these parts in "knifed 
> in", injected through a hollow shank on a simple tillage tool.  Basically 
> squirts the stuff into a little furrow.  Though this concentrates the 
> material and likely raises heck with the soil biota adjacent to the furrow, 
> most of the soil does not get impaired and should be able to recolonize any 
> harmed area.  This also keeps N volatilization down and stink too.
>
> I talked with my buddy Martin Jelenc about ferro-concrete, he says 
> galvanized lath has no serious issues of corrosion from dis similar metals. 
>  I would still steer clear of chicken wire.  I'm still thinking about 
> wether welding the steel makes any sense.  It would be pretty simple to do 
> with straight mild steel, but any coating like the epoxy that was described 
> or galvanizing would have to be ground off.  Might make some sense for some 
> more wild shapes, especially in conjunction with a bending tool.  Has 
> anyone used slip forming with this technique?
>
> I very curious if there are any lurkers on this list of a more right wing 
> perspective, or does it stop with my rageing centrism?
>
> I also wonder if people like the stuff I forward from Grazers Edge?  No one 
> has said one way or another.  For those who don't participate there I would 
> guess I'm sending on about 2-5% of that list's content.
>
> A thought on PC designers/teaching courses.  Is there a chance one of you 
> brave instructors would do an intensive for more advanced students without 
> formal PC training?  If I could get all the way to teacher in 2 weeks for 
> $2000 US I would go for it.
>
> I guess thats it for now.  Hope all are well (really!)
> Mark L


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