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- From: BOb Howard <rmhoward@omninet.net.au>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: language, meaning and nature
- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:26:00 +0800
Michael Dean wrote:
> Dear Bob,
>
> Your reply is very very interesting. These sorts of discussions really get
> you thinking, and it is one of life's pleasures that we are able to think
> in these various terms.
>
> What really interests me is the difference in the European and the
> Aboriginal attitudes. You seem to be closely aquainted with the
> Pitjantjatjara Aboriginies
> who have a different notion of the self to that of the European and these
> differences manifest themselves in their attitudes to exchange, fairness,
> reciprocity and selfishness.
>
> Please tell me more! The Aborigine has been in Australia for about 40,000
> years and has influenced the landscape extensively. Are you able to explain
> how he interprets the world and in what ways this is different from that of
> the Europeans?
>
> Mike Dean
>
I don't want to overstate my acquaintance with Aboriginal people - I only
have worked briefly with Pitjantjatjara people although I have spent many
years (30) working with Aboriginal people in more urban environments. But the
persistence of
notions of fairness, generosity and mutual obligation even within groups
whose society has been subject to genocidal attack is a measure of their
heroic courage in the face of cruel adversity.
Noongar people in Albany who I have lived and worked with for the last 10 odd
years constantly challenge me with their generosity. The idea of asking for
something ( a coat, the shirt of one's back, a lift somewhere etc.) is usually
misinterpreted by wadjilas (whitefellas) as importunate begging yet amongst
Noongar people the request is more often than not acceded to. The giver in
fulfilling the request accepts a social obligation to an 'uncle' or 'aunty'
or 'brother' or
'sister'. To work 'successfully' with Aboriginal people to my mind involves
being willing to step beyond the idea of doing a job and to treat people as
members of one's extended family.
Now sometimes these cultural obligations have adverse consequences -
selfishness is not unknown amongst Aboriginal people and the cultural
sanctions against selfishness have been considerably weakened by capitalism's
adulation of what was once
regarded as a sin. Similarly alcohol and jealousy of individual achievements
have often despairing effects on the communities cohesion.
From a traditional point of view, everybody and everything is related.
Initially the world is divided into a shade side and a sun side. In Noongar
these are known as Manichmat and Wardangmat - the cockatoo and the crow
sides. In other parts of
Australia the eagle is used instead of the crow. The substitution in the
south west is due to the presence of little corella's (white cockatoos) in
large numbers often intermixed with crows. Manitch and Wardang carry other
meanings - manitch
means manager and was used as slang for policeman; wardang means watcher. The
doer and the watcher. The owner and the manager of land or sacred sites. All
land based ceremony takes place under the auspices of the owner of a site and
it's
manager.
Critically one always takes one's wife or husband from the opposite moiety.
One's children may inherit their moeity from either their father or their
mother depending upon the local custom.
Within this tao like division their can be further subdivisions. In the south
Tondarup, Didaruk, and others that may alternate with generations or be
inherited directly. A little thought reveals that the owner and the manager
then manifest as
one's mother's brother and as oneself.
In the desert, this scheme is elaborated into the 8 'skin' (or section)
system used amongst the Pitjantjatjara, Pintubi, Walpiri and others or the
six skins system of the Nganatjara. These elaborations have spread in recent
years and been
adopted by tribes who previously had 4 skin systems.
Everyone who works in a desert community is given a skin name soon after
arrival and fitted into the scheme. Old people will deal with Aboriginal
strangers from other parts of the country by first enquiring as to their
local skin and then after
much discussion work out what the appropriate skin is within the local
community.
Once your skin is ascertained then one 1/8 of the people are your
classificatory mothers and mother's brothers and sisters, 1/8th are your
sisters and brothers, 1/8th are your potential spouses, 1/8th are your son in
law or mother in-law who
you should not speak to but regularly offer gifts and presents to.
I'm really skimming the surface here but this is a taste of what's involved.
There is an ongoing debate about whether Aboriginal culture/people are really
like the rest of us or are really different. This debate is commonly heard in
racist circles. IMHO the cultural differences between Aboriginal and European
culture
are profound and constantly downplayed because of the poor reflection that
they cast upon the cultural habits of Europeans.
But hey that's another story.
Regards
Bob Howard
-
language, meaning and nature,
souscayrous, 11/25/2001
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- language, meaning and nature, S.K. Harrison, 11/26/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, georg parlow, 11/26/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, souscayrous, 11/26/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Bob Howard, 11/27/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, permed, 11/28/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Michael Dean, 11/28/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, Michael Dean, 11/28/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, BOb Howard, 11/28/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, souscayrous, 11/28/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Toby Hemenway, 11/28/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Michael Dean, 11/29/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Michael Dean, 11/29/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Michael Dean, 11/29/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, S.K. Harrison, 11/29/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, John Schinnerer, 11/30/2001
- Re: language, meaning and nature, Bob Howard, 11/30/2001
- RE: language, meaning and nature, permed, 11/30/2001
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