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[Chad Knepp <pyg@galatea.org>]

Don't have time to fully respond to stuff today.  The hosting thing
seems kind of up in the air and I did toss out the possibility of
using Eden as a starting point.  Not sure where people are with that.
I think I would rather use Zope, but I'm still open to the idea of
Eden.  Anyway, I'm going to continue fooling around w/Zope in the
meantime.  

John Howe writes:
 > > Exactly what kind of resources do you have John that you could offer
 > > us?  I'll put my name out there as well as someone who could
 > > temporarily host zope/cvs/bugzilla.  I'm already overquota with the
 > > Eden MySQL db, but the company I use are also my friends and live next
 > > door.  Another solution is that we just break down and buy ourselves
 > > our own account somewhere.  I bet a $25-30/month account would be all
 > > we needed unless we got popular (Lord, curse me thusly ;-).
 > 
 > My services go though johncompanies.com in San Diego. I used to have a
 > co-located server in Seattle, however, I found it easier to outsource
 > hardware management. Johncompanies.com provides the following: triple
 > homed networking, hardware management, and daily backups. I get 40g/month
 > network throughput ( with ability to scale ) and  I am happy with the
 > service there, ( don't have to deal with failing hardware issues anymore,
 > no pager calls) and host several domains.

That sounds very nice, what kind of disk quota do you have?  I think
the current Eden dataset is about 35-40 megs live in MySQL.  Not sure
how it would compare in ZODB, but I think we be in the gigs shortly
esp. if we put images and other big things in.

 > Consider me a sole-proprietor web-hosting reseller with focus on
 > development support. The base system is Debian 3.0 w/some tweaks of mine.

Excellent, my favorite distro of Linux.  I run 'testing' myself... was
a sysadmin years ago as well.

 > Anyhoo, I have been online for a while and do not intend to go away
 > anytime soon. Since I directly manage the system, I have the ability to
 > make more agile changes that say more established web presences. Think of
 > my server like a pioneer field where rapid prototyping can occur. I incur
 > all the hosting costs myself, however, I am inclined to share space with
 > projects that interest me, such as HG.

If we do end up using your server, we could write that into the next grant.

 > My current feeling is that I have resources I can dedicate to getting a
 > prototype of HG hosted in relatively short time. The pioneer inception can
 > allow for the evolution of HG and eventually mature enough to move towards
 > ibiblio ( predicated on Zope, platform issues ). Protyping here, I can do
 > performance metrics on the application to report back to the ibiblio
 > people as well.
 > 
 > And Chad, you have mentioned you can also host ( as you are currently
 > doing with Eden ).

Um, nothing like what you or ibiblio have.  I'd say I'm the last resort.

 > > Another zope snag that I've been thinking about is related to
 > > Richard.  I'm not sure what kind of PHP integration there is with
 > > zope.  Zope is really kind of alternative to PHP and using PHP with
 > > zope might be kind of redundant.  I actually haven't looked into this,
 > > but John^2 would probably know.  Anyway, Richard, consider learning
 > > zope.
 > 
 > PHP generally runs as an apache module, or as a stand alone CGI
 > application. There is a PHPTAL project that may be of interest @
 > http://nyphp.org/content/presentations/3templates/phptal/. ( Code in PHP,
 > and migrate to Zope later? ).
 > 
 > Zope also has a PHParser/PHPGateway @
 > http://zope.org/Members/hewei/PHParser/, so theoretically, PHP code could
 > be migrated to Zope in incremental steps ( migrate existing PHP code base
 > into Zope proper ).

Sounds like that is not a concern at all then.

 > Then again, there is mod_python for apache as well @
 > http://www.modpython.org/ for speed of execution.

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Chad Knepp
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