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[Michael Dossett <phainopepla@yahoo.com>]

I think it is important to understand here that "club" varieties have little 
to do with generating revenues for breeding programs - a point which I think 
has been missed.  If the goal was solely to generate royalty revenue, 
patenting a variety and then making it widely available through licensed 
propagators will absolutely generate a larger revenue stream, or what some 
have done which is to also license a production royalty on top of the per 
plant royalty.
 
"Club" varieties are more about generating revenue for growers by limiting 
supply.  This works best when consumers are able to identify particular 
varieties in the marketplace which is why you rarely see club varieties in 
anything but apples.  By limiting the supply to a set number of 
producers/acres, you can manage the supply and demand so that retailers make 
more and so that growers can ask a higher price.  There is very little money 
to be made by apple growers growing a gala or a red delicious if the retail 
price is $1/lb or less, but if the supply is limited and demand is present 
then the growers can get a better price because the price can be passed down 
to consumers who will still pay it.  Usually growers pay a fee to be in the 
club or their is a competitive bidding process to delineate who is in or out. 
 As with any system, there are pros and cons, but theoretically, the club 
system can be good for local family farms who don't necessarily
 have the economy of scale to be operating on razor thin margins of producing 
apples like red delicious, though it still squeezes out many small acreage 
producers.
 
Michael
 
 

Michael Dossett
Mission, British Columbia
www.Mdossettphoto.com
phainopepla@yahoo.com 


On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:22 AM, Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com> 
wrote:
  


Funds for breeding research for state universities is, unfortunately,
shrinking as I believe, are the breeding programs themselves.  Money made
from patents can help universities fund more research so they have to do
whatever they can to recoup as much money with any rock star varieties they
happen to produce.  Honeycrisp is the holly grail but many varieties only
become popular after the extinction of the patent (think Goldrush).

Patents run their course and the system (originally devised in England)
actually created the environment to bring about the industrial revolution-
inventors must be rewarded based on the success of their inventions.  The
idea has always been that patents run out and become public property, but
not before the inventor is reasonably compensated.

I don't like the club variety idea much either, but I was at a farmers
markets in CA where a grower was boasting how he grafted all his trees to
patented Zaiger varieties.  He was very proud of how he avoided paying the
royalties.  I said nothing but didn't buy any of his fruit.  However, I
can't say I've never grafted a patented variety for my own personal use.
Can't do that with a club variety- boo hoo.
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Devin -

Where are you located?  Here in central Indiana, the edible ones don't
overwinter.  The only physalis that does overwinter is Chinese
Lantern, which isn't edible.  It is obviously a different species from
the edible ground cherry, both from appearance of the plants and from
the fact that the two don't hybridize even when grown next to each
other.

My favorite ground cherry is "Cossack Pineapple".  I think it's listed
as just plain "Pineapple" in some catalogs.

If you can provide seeds of your variety, I'd love to try it.

Fred Bruns


On 8/19/14, Jwlehman--- via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> My Mother grew them during my childhood and she made Ground Cherry Pie. My
>
> sister and my wife make ground cherry pie which is one of my favorites. I'm
>
> in  zone 5B and they come up volunteer every year, more like a weed. So I
> just  transplant them in a short row. They come up in my compost pile.
> Insects  for me aren't a big problem. Planting them with a plastic ground
> cover
> makes  collecting them easier. They are quite a popular garden plant in my
> home town of  Berne, IN.
>
> Ground cherry pie....yum yum!
>
> Jerry
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2014 9:07:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> 6ducks@gmail.com writes:
>
> I've  eaten physalis spp. before, but this year am growing my first crop,
> Baker  Creek Heirloom Seed's 'Ground Cherry'. No ripe fruit yet, but what
> fruit I  have doesn't look any bigger than 1/2".  And the bugs are
> ferocious--  flea beetles perhaps.
> Baker doesn't give the species name for these, but  I'd guess they're
> perennials in warmer zones.
> At any rate, I'd love to  experiment with some that might be perennial in a
> zone 6.  We have  native Physalis here, why not larger-fruited ones,  too?
>
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