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[Rhonda <rhondawiebe@comcast.net>]

Cummins currently has 20 Orleans Reinette on G.16 for 2015.



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>    1.  Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (jvancamp@tc3net.com)
>    2.  Subject:,Re:  OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn) 
> (Rosholdt)
>    3.  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (caitlin cook-isaacson)
>    4. Re:  Subject:,Re:  OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
>       (Naomi Counides)
>    5. Re:  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
>    6. Re:  Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (sherwin)
>    7.  Room reservations for Annual Meeting (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>    8. Re:  Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (Deb Schneider)
>    9. Re:  Room reservations for Annual Meeting (Idell 
> Weydemeyer)
>   10.  Future of Walnut (R. Keith Etheridge)
>   11. Re:  Future of Walnut (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>   12. Re:  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Steve Wilson)
>   13.  Announcing nut growers fall meeting (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>   14.  kiwi trellis alternatives (Devin Smith)
>   15. Re:  kiwi trellis alternatives (mIEKAL aND)
>   16. Re:  kiwi trellis alternatives (Dan Nave)
>   17. Re:  kiwi trellis alternatives (Hungrytown Dave)
>   18. Re:  Future of Walnut (R. Keith Etheridge)
>   19. Re:  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
>   20. Re:  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (mIEKAL aND)
>   21.  Fruit project featured at Carrington (North Dakota) Center
>       Field Day (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA))
>   22.  nanking polliation (poor) (Devin Smith)
>   23. Re:  nanking polliation (poor) (mIEKAL aND)
>   24. Re:  nanking polliation (poor) (Lee Reich)
>   25. Re:  Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
>   26. Re:  nanking polliation (poor) (mIEKAL aND)
>   27. Re:  nanking polliation (poor) (Lee Reich)
>   28.  girdling (AK)
>   29. Re:  girdling (Lee Reich)
>   30. Re:  girdling (Ginda Fisher)
>   31.  Scoring (AK)
>   32.  test (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>   33. Re:  Scoring (Deannie Hughes)
>   34.  Scoring (Jwlehman@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jvancamp@tc3net.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30 
> (or equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale.  Mine died after 
> the winter we had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees 
> seemed to have come through ok.  Anyone know where I might 
> purchase?
> 
> -Josh Van Camp
> Jasper, MI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:41:52 -0400
> From: Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Subject:,Re:  OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed 
> (corn)
> Message-ID: <539F5690.6050304@erols.com>
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> 
> 
> Naomi,
> 
> I attempted to stabilize (make open pollinated) the Silver Queen 
> hybrid.  If you plant hybrid seed, you get an unnerving result - 
> inbreeding depression.  You have to be patient through several 
> generations of inbreeding depression, selecting out the ones that 
> are not what you want, and then saving seed each year, until you 
> get about 5 generations.  Then grow the corn out in a large area 
> (an acre would be great, a quarter acre would be minimal, and do 
> a final selection of ears to save.  In my ignorance, I introduced 
> problems.
> 
> If you are interested in seed saving, which I HIGHLY recommend, 
> please get hold of one of Carol Deppe's books on plant breeding 
> or John Navazio's The Organic Seed Grower.
> 
> Open pollinated varieties do not suffer from inbreeding 
> depression. They are maintained as Lee Reich suggested.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:44:00 -0500
> From: caitlin cook-isaacson <ccookisaacson@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> 
> We had the same thing on only one of our Nankings this year as 
> well, never
> before.  Last year, we had some brown rot and removed all of the 
> affected
> fruit that we could find. This year, a handful of the fruits grew 
> huge and
> banana-shaped about 2 weeks ago, so we removed them as well.  
> They fruits
> were dry and hollow inside with no flesh or seeds.
> 
> To me it looks very similar to plum pocket/pocket plum which I 
> have also
> seen on some local plums this year.  Dan, if your fruit looks 
> similar,
> maybe it is *taphrina pruni*?
> 
> http://rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=199
> 
> best,
> Caitlin
> Mpls, MN
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:23:09 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
> Message-ID: <88A4983D-8FC9-4E37-A6BC-037258444003@leereich.com>
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> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking 
> cherries even
> though some fruits get infected.
> 
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
> 
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
> 
>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last year 
>> and have
> set fruit well this year also.
>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and 
>> misshapen with
> some greyish or brown discoloration.
>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:24:05 -0600
> From: "Naomi Counides" <naomi@oznayim.us>
> To: "'nafex mailing list at ibiblio'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Subject:,Re:  OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed 
> (corn)
> Message-ID: <00a501cf89c2$741fde20$5c5f9a60$@oznayim.us>
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> 
> I am not that ambitious and I do not have that much space.  More 
> like 4 feet
> by 50 feet for corn.   I have saved seed from Arugula and some 
> Chinese
> greens.  But I do not think that counts for much.
> Naomi
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rosholdt
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 2:42 PM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
> 
> 
> Naomi,
> 
> I attempted to stabilize (make open pollinated) the Silver Queen 
> hybrid.  If
> you plant hybrid seed, you get an unnerving result - inbreeding 
> depression.
> You have to be patient through several generations of inbreeding 
> depression,
> selecting out the ones that are not what you want, and then 
> saving seed each
> year, until you get about 5 generations.  Then grow the corn out 
> in a large
> area (an acre would be great, a quarter acre would be minimal, 
> and do a
> final selection of ears to save.  In my ignorance, I introduced 
> problems.
> 
> If you are interested in seed saving, which I HIGHLY recommend, 
> please get
> hold of one of Carol Deppe's books on plant breeding or John 
> Navazio's The
> Organic Seed Grower.
> 
> Open pollinated varieties do not suffer from inbreeding 
> depression. They are
> maintained as Lee Reich suggested.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:51:13 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> 
> That looks quite similar, the largest fruit is about 1 inch long. 
>  I didn't pay much attention to pits, but I didn't feel any when 
> I removed the bizarre fruits.
> 
> Much of the fruit, even on this tree/bush is normal.  I just hope 
> it doesn't spread and kill the whole bush.
> It doesn't look like there is any witches broom type damage going 
> on at this point.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On 6/16/2014 7:44 PM, caitlin cook-isaacson wrote:
>> We had the same thing on only one of our Nankings this year as 
>> well, never
>> before.  Last year, we had some brown rot and removed all of the 
>> affected
>> fruit that we could find. This year, a handful of the fruits 
>> grew huge and
>> banana-shaped about 2 weeks ago, so we removed them as well.  
>> They fruits
>> were dry and hollow inside with no flesh or seeds.
>> 
>> To me it looks very similar to plum pocket/pocket plum which I 
>> have also
>> seen on some local plums this year.  Dan, if your fruit looks 
>> similar,
>> maybe it is *taphrina pruni*?
>> 
>> http://rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=199
>> 
>> best,
>> Caitlin
>> Mpls, MN
>> 
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:23:09 -0400
>> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
>> Message-ID: <88A4983D-8FC9-4E37-A6BC-037258444003@leereich.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking 
>> cherries even
>> though some fruits get infected.
>> 
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>> 
>>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last 
>>> year and have
>> set fruit well this year also.
>>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and 
>>> misshapen with
>> some greyish or brown discoloration.
>>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:13:12 -0500
> From: sherwin <sherwindu@att.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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> Josh,
> 
> Sorry, I don't have that variety.  It's described as a heirloom, 
> so it's
> origins are not apparently obvious.
> 
> I found the following in a web search:
> 
> www.orangepippintrees.com
> 
> http://www.heirloomorchards.com/product%20pages/orleans_reinette.html
> 
> http://www.naturehills.com/apple-tree-orleans-reinette-organic-heirloom
> 
> plus a few more.
> 
> However, I'm curious what rootstock this tree was on and how 
> mature it was.
> Also, did your tree bear fruit and if so, how was the taste?
> 
>                                     Sherwin Dubren
> 
> On 6/16/2014 12:53 PM, jvancamp@tc3net.com wrote:
>> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30 
>> (or equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale.  Mine died after 
>> the winter we had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees 
>> seemed to have come through ok.  Anyone know where I might 
>> purchase?
>> 
>> -Josh Van Camp
>> Jasper, MI
>> __________________
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 23:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Cc: pomonascion@gmail.com
> Subject: [nafex] Room reservations for Annual Meeting
> Message-ID: <33b16.2ea8d362.40d11556@aol.com>
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> If you haven't made lodging reservations for the annual meeting 
> you are in  for a surprise. Even though a block of rooms was 
> reserved until July 1  there aren't rooms available for each 
> night. Sure looks like they gave  reservations from our block to 
> outsiders for two of the nights.  Anyway: There is a block of 10 
> rooms reserved at the Best Western  and 7 of those have been 
> taken. When those last three rooms are filled  we will be given 
> the group rate. Once the block is filled additional rooms can  be 
> reserved at the group rate, if available.  Bottom line is if you 
> are going and haven't reserved rooms better do so  quickly.  
> Jerry     ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:48:41 -0400
> From: Deb Schneider <debs913@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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> 
> Cummins Nursery has it on their list
> http://www.cumminsnursery.com/antiques.htm  Perhaps you could 
> order a
> custom graft for next year?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, <jvancamp@tc3net.com> wrote:
> 
>> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30 
>> (or
>> equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale.  Mine died after the 
>> winter we
>> had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees seemed to have 
>> come
>> through ok.  Anyone know where I might purchase?
>> 
>> -Josh Van Camp
>> Jasper, MI
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> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:52:54 -0700
> From: "Idell Weydemeyer" <iwgarden@earthlink.net>
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> I have booked a room at  the Motel 6 that is close by--price not 
> too bad. Idell Weydemeyer
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> 
> If you haven't made lodging reservations for the annual meeting 
> you are in  for a surprise. Even though a block of rooms was 
> reserved until July 1  there aren't rooms available for each 
> night. Sure looks like they gave  reservations from our block to 
> outsiders for two of the nights.  Anyway: There is a block of 10 
> rooms reserved at the Best Western  and 7 of those have been 
> taken. When those last three rooms are filled  we will be given 
> the group rate. Once the block is filled additional rooms can  be 
> reserved at the group rate, if available.  Bottom line is if you 
> are going and haven't reserved rooms better do so  quickly.  
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:05:11 -0500
> From: "R. Keith Etheridge" <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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> With the advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the 
> way of American chestnut and ash? It seems most similar to Ash in 
> that an insect is involved and an insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but 
> unlikely for nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything 
> special.
> Keith
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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> 
> In a message dated 6/20/2014 11:13:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
> 
> With the  advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the 
> way of American chestnut  and ash? It seems most similar to Ash 
> in that an insect is involved and an  insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but  
> unlikely for nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything  
> special.
> Keith
> Hello Keith,
>  I forwarded your question to Jim McKenna, Operational Tree 
> Breeder, USDA -  Forest Service, HTIRC - Purdue University. Jim 
> is helping research TCD. He  is also the Editor for the Indiana 
> Nut & Fruit Growers Assoc.  Here is his answer:  "For nut 
> production, you can earn income to cover  spraying each year.  
> Timber is not economical to spray. Second, the TCD is native to 
> north America, not exotic  like chestnut blight and Dutch elm 
> disease. Because the disease is native, we have already  
> determined that black walnut varies in reaction. Thus, resistant 
> trees exist and  will be naturally selected for. Last, this 
> disease is spotty and fluctuates year to  year. It does not look 
> like it can actually wipe out whole stands or  regions." 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:06:41 -0400
> From: Steve Wilson <12986nafex@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Announcing nut growers fall meeting
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>  This is to advise you that the Missouri Nut Growers  Association 
> will hold its Pre-harvest Meeting in southeastern Missouri.   
> These meetings are always open to all but, because our roots are 
> in extreme  western Missouri, it's not often that we meet this 
> far east and south and so we  wanted to extend an invitation to 
> nut growers further east.  The date is  Friday, September 5th 
> (mark your calendar) and plans are to visit two  pecan orchards. 
> The detailed information will be posted on our MNGA website  
> _ww.missourinutgrowers.org_ (http://www.missourinutgrowers.org/) 
> ). Mark your  calendars, round up some friends to share the drive 
> over and see northern  commercial pecan growing.     Sara Jean 
> Peters
> Missouri Nut Growers Association
> _sara069@centurytel.net_ (mailto:sara069@centurytel.net) 
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:45:58 -0700
> From: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm so 
> far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The only 
> problem is that trellises require time and money to build, and 
> intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an rustic 
> locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is well and 
> good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more varieties. 
> So I've been thinking off and on about trellis alternatives. Two 
> ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
> 
> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big trees 
> are out of the question because, among other things, fruit will 
> be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast growing 
> spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from a scion 
> swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It seems to 
> meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision, growing 
> quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I think), 
> perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta vines. 
> Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't put 
> around with establishment, at which point I might as well go 
> ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and intend 
> to test this theoretical system there. If it works as well as I 
> imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will fruit out 
> the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal fussing, and if 
> nothing else, the dense tangled growth will make a much better 
> windbreak. 2. The second idea is actually stolen-- I saw this 
> being done (though accidentally) at a local orchard. The 
> aforementioned orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch, but 
> neglected to build trellises for many years. Most rambled along 
> the ground, clambering up brambles that grew in the rows. In 
> short, it was a total mess. But one happened to have been planted 
> next to a single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine, as you 
> might imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the top 
> assumed a round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably 8 ft 
> in diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and was 
> absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only on 
> the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an 
> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon 
> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had been 
> removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been planted 
> in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
>  to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered pom 
> pom has stuck with me.
> 
> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing things 
> this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and picking 
> somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may nearly 
> preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with a 
> kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though I've 
> yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know that 
> it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me, is to 
> make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far enough from 
> things to potentially climb, that they instead just make a big 
> messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences. -Devin Smith
> Rockingham, VT
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 21:04:05 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> To: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>,        nafex mailing list at 
> ibiblio
>       <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> The first patch of argots I planted broke the trellis they were 
> on and attached themselves to an ash tree, which each year they 
> pull over more and more.  I still have to use an 8 foot step 
> ladder to harvest the top part but it works good.  I think if you 
> were ahead of the ballgame you could train the tree/trellis  by 
> anchoring the leader.
> 
> With kolomiktas I like to use old metal bedsprings sideways and 
> u-bolted to t-posts.  I do a couple in a row and it helps create 
> a hedge about 4 feet high.
> 
> I do almost no pruning whatsoever.
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote:
> 
>> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm so 
>> far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The only 
>> problem is that trellises require time and money to build, and 
>> intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an rustic 
>> locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is well and 
>> good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more 
>> varieties. So I've been thinking off and on about trellis 
>> alternatives. Two ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
>> 
>> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big 
>> trees are out of the question because, among other things, fruit 
>> will be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast growing 
>> spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from a scion 
>> swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It seems to 
>> meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision, growing 
>> quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I think), 
>> perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta vines. 
>> Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't put 
>> around with establishment, at which point I might as well go 
>> ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and 
>> intend to test this theoretical system there. If it works as 
>> well as I imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will 
>> fruit out the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal 
>> fussing, and if nothing else, the dense tangled growth will make 
>> a much better windbreak. 2. The second idea is actually stolen-- 
>> I saw this being done (though accidentally) at a local orchard. 
>> The aforementioned orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch, 
>> but neglected to build trellises for many years. Most rambled 
>> along the ground, clambering up brambles that grew in the rows. 
>> In short, it was a total mess. But one happened to have been 
>> planted next to a single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine, 
>> as you might imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the 
>> top assumed a round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably 
>> 8 ft in diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and 
>> was absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only 
>> on the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an 
>> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon 
>> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had been 
>> removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been planted 
>> in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
>> to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered pom 
>> pom has stuck with me.
>> 
>> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing 
>> things this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and 
>> picking somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may 
>> nearly preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with a 
>> kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though I've 
>> yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know that 
>> it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me, is to 
>> make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far enough from 
>> things to potentially climb, that they instead just make a big 
>> messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences. -Devin Smith
>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:20:52 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> I have some Kolomiktas that are growing across horizontal trellis 
> wires.  They seem to want to wrap themselves tightly around the 
> wires with many turns.  Is this a problem or should I try to 
> straighten them out?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On 7/2/2014 9:04 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>> The first patch of argots I planted broke the trellis they were 
>> on and attached themselves to an ash tree, which each year they 
>> pull over more and more.  I still have to use an 8 foot step 
>> ladder to harvest the top part but it works good.  I think if 
>> you were ahead of the ballgame you could train the tree/trellis  
>> by anchoring the leader.
>> 
>> With kolomiktas I like to use old metal bedsprings sideways and 
>> u-bolted to t-posts.  I do a couple in a row and it helps create 
>> a hedge about 4 feet high.
>> 
>> I do almost no pruning whatsoever.
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm 
>>> so far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The 
>>> only problem is that trellises require time and money to build, 
>>> and intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an 
>>> rustic locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is 
>>> well and good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more 
>>> varieties. So I've been thinking off and on about trellis 
>>> alternatives. Two ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
>>> 
>>> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big 
>>> trees are out of the question because, among other things, 
>>> fruit will be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast 
>>> growing spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from 
>>> a scion swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It 
>>> seems to meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision, 
>>> growing quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I 
>>> think), perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta 
>>> vines. Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't 
>>> put around with establishment, at which point I might as well 
>>> go ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and 
>>> intend to test this theoretical system there. If it works as 
>>> well as I imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will 
>>> fruit out the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal 
>>> fussing, and if nothing else, the dense tangled growth will 
>>> make a much better windbreak.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. The second idea is actually stolen-- I saw this being done 
>>> (though accidentally) at a local orchard. The aforementioned 
>>> orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch, but neglected to 
>>> build trellises for many years. Most rambled along the ground, 
>>> clambering up brambles that grew in the rows. In short, it was 
>>> a total mess. But one happened to have been planted next to a 
>>> single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine, as you might 
>>> imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the top assumed a 
>>> round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably 8 ft in 
>>> diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and was 
>>> absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only on 
>>> the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an 
>>> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon 
>>> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had 
>>> been removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been 
>>> planted in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
>>> to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered 
>>> pom pom has stuck with me.
>>> 
>>> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing 
>>> things this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and 
>>> picking somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may 
>>> nearly preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with 
>>> a kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though 
>>> I've yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know 
>>> that it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me, 
>>> is to make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far 
>>> enough from things to potentially climb, that they instead just 
>>> make a big messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences.
>>> 
>>> -Devin Smith
>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Date: Thu,  3 Jul 2014 22:09:04 -0500
> From: "Hungrytown Dave" <fruitopia@firstva.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> I like your single pole idea.  I've seen wisteria growing 
> similarly, and it was very attractive, almost like a bush.
> 
> My method for kiwi is far less attractive, but it leads to lots 
> of vine and lots of fruit.  I plant them on piles of pruned fruit 
> tree branches, fallen large tree limbs, and remnants of trees I 
> cut for firewood.  Deer hate to step on branch piles, so this 
> method protects vines from deer when the vines are young.   Plant 
> the vines first, just put a pile on top of them or around them.
> 
> Small trees grow up through the piles, such as sassafras and 
> tulip poplar, and the vines grow up the trees.  I cut the trees 
> as needed to prevent the vines from getting too high.  This 
> method is very unruly, but there is little pruning required.  One 
> vine can cover over 1,500 square feet eventually.  You can't get 
> to all the fruit, but I don't need to.  Two female fuzzies 
> together produce about 9 bushels of reachable fruit for me every 
> year.  Fuzzless (hardy) varieties have much more variable 
> production for me, and are harder to see in the thicket.
> ~David Consolvo
> Hungrytown, Virginia 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:33:57 -0500
> From: "R. Keith Etheridge" <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> To: <Jwlehman@aol.com>,       "nafex mailing list at ibiblio"
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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> Hi Jerry
> Thanks for the information that allows me to make a logical 
> decision on what might happen with my walnuts in the future.
> My main interest is native fruits and nuts but have some walnuts 
> that have value as timber.
> It looks as I will have another bumper American persimmon but 
> light pawpaw.
> Keith
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:28 AM
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> 
> 
> In a message dated 6/20/2014 11:13:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
> 
> With the  advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the 
> way of
> American chestnut  and ash? It seems most similar to Ash in that 
> an insect is
> involved and an  insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but  
> unlikely for
> nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything  special.
> Keith
> Hello Keith,
> 
> I forwarded your question to Jim McKenna, Operational Tree 
> Breeder, USDA -
> Forest Service, HTIRC - Purdue University. Jim is helping 
> research TCD. He
> is also the Editor for the Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers Assoc.
> 
> Here is his answer:
> "For nut production, you can earn income to cover  spraying each 
> year.
> Timber is not economical to spray.
> 
> 
> Second, the TCD is native to north America, not exotic  like 
> chestnut
> blight and Dutch elm disease.
> 
> 
> Because the disease is native, we have already  determined that 
> black
> walnut varies in reaction. Thus, resistant trees exist and  will 
> be naturally
> selected for.
> 
> 
> Last, this disease is spotty and fluctuates year to  year. It 
> does not look
> like it can actually wipe out whole stands or  regions."
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:36:56 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the 
> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got 
> this year. A nice crop.
> 
> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/11/2014 7:23 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking 
>>> cherries even though some fruits get infected.
>>> 
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>>> http://leereich.com/
>>> 
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last 
>>>> year and have set fruit well this year also.
>>>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and 
>>>> misshapen with some greyish or brown discoloration.
>>>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
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> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> Yr making me jealous Dan. I've got a couple 100 Nankings, most of 
> them 3-4 years old, they all had good flowering but almost no 
> fruit set whatsoever.  All I can think is that they are mostly 
> insect pollinated rather than wind pollinated since I saw almost 
> no wild bees of any kind here in May.
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> 
> On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
> 
>> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the 
>> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got 
>> this year. A nice crop.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
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> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:05:22 +0000
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> The Northern Hardy Fruit Evaluation Project will be the focus of 
> one of five tours offered during the North Dakota State 
> University Carrington Research ...
> 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:44:43 -0700
> From: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I have 
> 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I 
> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point, and 
> so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds like 
> you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible 
> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out 
> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like 
> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty 
> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any 
> ideas what may be going on?
> -Devin Smith
> Rockingham, VT
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:05:28 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> To: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>,        nafex mailing list at 
> ibiblio
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.  Last 
> year
> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a 
> gallon of
> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot.  This year they have a couple
> fruit on each of the plants.  So I don't think it has anything to 
> do
> with compatibility.  It tells me that they are not wind 
> pollinated,
> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a terrible 
> toll
> on polinators.
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I have 
>> 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I 
>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point, 
>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds 
>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible 
>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out 
>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like 
>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty 
>> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any 
>> ideas what may be going on?
>> -Devin Smith
>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:23:44 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are 
> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I 
> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year for 
> the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts 
> notwithstanding. Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
> 
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
> 
>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.  Last 
>> year
>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a 
>> gallon of
>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot.  This year they have a couple
>> fruit on each of the plants.  So I don't think it has anything 
>> to do
>> with compatibility.  It tells me that they are not wind 
>> pollinated,
>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a terrible 
>> toll
>> on polinators.
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I 
>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I 
>>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point, 
>>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds 
>>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible 
>>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out 
>>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like 
>>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty 
>>> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any 
>>> ideas what may be going on?
>>> -Devin Smith
>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:48:31 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> Well, I should modify my statement.
> 
> I got great fruit yield from one plant, the one with the most 
> strange misshapen fruit.  The next one in the row had almost 
> nothing, and the third had a moderate crop.  Last year all three 
> had good yield.  I think there was a problem with pollination 
> because of cloudy cool weather, the one bush must have flowered 
> earlier during a few days of better weather.  I have two plum 
> trees that have only one fruit between them.  The weather was 
> cool and cloudy as they were blooming.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2014 8:15 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>> Yr making me jealous Dan. I've got a couple 100 Nankings, most 
>> of them 3-4 years old, they all had good flowering but almost no 
>> fruit set whatsoever.  All I can think is that they are mostly 
>> insect pollinated rather than wind pollinated since I saw almost 
>> no wild bees of any kind here in May.
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>> 
>>> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the 
>>> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got 
>>> this year. A nice crop.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:15:39 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> Lee, I don't understand the logic.  If I have a planting that is
> almost 20 years old, & every year without fail they are loaded 
> with
> fruit EXCEPT for this year, why would the lack of genetic 
> variation
> come into play?  Also my commercial planting is over 200 plants 
> from
> about 4 or 5 different nurseries mixed with Bali cherries. It 
> would be
> hard for me to believe that Schumachers, Lawyers, Mussey and 
> other
> nurseries wouldn't represent the breadth of the nanking cherry
> germplasm.  These plants are all grown out from seed, not tissue
> culture.
> 
> And we didn't have any issue this spring with late frosts,  our 
> issue
> was the coldest winter in recorded history, 50+ days below zero. 
> No
> bee life to speak of still around these parts...
> 
> ~mIEKAL
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are 
>> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I 
>> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year 
>> for the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts 
>> notwithstanding.
>> 
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>> 
>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.  
>>> Last year
>>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a 
>>> gallon of
>>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot.  This year they have a couple
>>> fruit on each of the plants.  So I don't think it has anything 
>>> to do
>>> with compatibility.  It tells me that they are not wind 
>>> pollinated,
>>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a 
>>> terrible toll
>>> on polinators.
>>> 
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I 
>>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I 
>>>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point, 
>>>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds 
>>>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible 
>>>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out 
>>>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like 
>>>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be 
>>>> pretty important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the 
>>>> season. Any ideas what may be going on?
>>>> -Devin Smith
>>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:16:38 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I guess, then, it could be bees, or lack thereof.
> 
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
> 
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:15 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
> 
>> Lee, I don't understand the logic.  If I have a planting that is
>> almost 20 years old, & every year without fail they are loaded 
>> with
>> fruit EXCEPT for this year, why would the lack of genetic 
>> variation
>> come into play?  Also my commercial planting is over 200 plants 
>> from
>> about 4 or 5 different nurseries mixed with Bali cherries. It 
>> would be
>> hard for me to believe that Schumachers, Lawyers, Mussey and 
>> other
>> nurseries wouldn't represent the breadth of the nanking cherry
>> germplasm.  These plants are all grown out from seed, not tissue
>> culture.
>> 
>> And we didn't have any issue this spring with late frosts,  our 
>> issue
>> was the coldest winter in recorded history, 50+ days below zero. 
>> No
>> bee life to speak of still around these parts...
>> 
>> ~mIEKAL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are 
>>> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I 
>>> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year 
>>> for the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts 
>>> notwithstanding.
>>> 
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>>> http://leereich.com/
>>> 
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.  
>>>> Last year
>>>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a 
>>>> gallon of
>>>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot.  This year they have a couple
>>>> fruit on each of the plants.  So I don't think it has anything 
>>>> to do
>>>> with compatibility.  It tells me that they are not wind 
>>>> pollinated,
>>>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a 
>>>> terrible toll
>>>> on polinators.
>>>> 
>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I 
>>>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. 
>>>>> I wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some 
>>>>> point, and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, 
>>>>> it sounds like you should have plenty of opportunities for 
>>>>> compatible pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. 
>>>>> I've grown out some seedlings to get some more diversity, but 
>>>>> it sounds like that alone may not solve things. I guess 
>>>>> distance can be pretty important: bugs move a lot slower that 
>>>>> early in the season. Any ideas what may be going on?
>>>>> -Devin Smith
>>>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:25:56 -0500
> From: AK <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] girdling
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> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately, 
> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
> Karen,zone 5 WI
> 
> 
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> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:37:42 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] girdling
> Message-ID: <51D6DC0D-4776-478A-84EC-6B1EEB726CBD@leereich.com>
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> Theoretically, yes. But it's too late now to do it.
> 
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
> 
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 8:25 PM, AK wrote:
> 
>> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately, 
>> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
>> Karen,zone 5 WI
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> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 23:59:23 -0400
> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] girdling
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> 
> But I tried something along those lines to encourage a tree to 
> grow a vegetative branch where I wanted it this spring, and I was 
> amazed by how successful it was. I took a pocket knife and cut 
> through the bark a little above a bud I wanted to sprout, and it 
> did. Looking at the tree, the only other "old" bud that sprouted 
> a new branch was one that had a piece of twine rubbing against 
> the trunk a little up from the bud.
> 
> I was advised to slice below a bud to encourage fruiting, and 
> above to encourage vegetative growth. It's worth a try next 
> spring.
> 
> Ginda
> 
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
> 
>> Theoretically, yes. But it's too late now to do it.
>> 
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>> 
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 8:25 PM, AK wrote:
>> 
>>> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately, 
>>> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
>>> Karen,zone 5 WI
> 
> 
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> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:12:52 -0500
> From: AK <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
> Message-ID: <53C1EB24.2050604@sbcglobal.net>
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> 
> Will scoring help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately, 
> hopefully fruit as it has had neither?
> Karen,zone 5 WI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] test
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> 
> No need for anyone to reply. If this comes back I'll know I'm 
> once again  turned on.
>  Jerry
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> Message: 33
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:34:32 -0500
> From: "Deannie Hughes" <davidndeannie@nctc.com>
> To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Scoring
> Message-ID: <C28B14F8EBF44D4194AA39C221F35085@farmerdavePC>
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> 
> Scoring the trunk 3/4 around one side and about 2 inches above 
> scoring3/4 around the other direction will induce flowering. Once 
> flowering begins it generally continues.
> 
> This works best before extension growth ends in early summer.
> 
> Spreading branches can also help to induce bloom. Branches 
> approaching 45 degrees from vertical are more prone to flowering 
> than more vertical growth.
> 
> I scored my Magness pears at 4 years old and they have had pears 
> every since.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "AK" <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
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> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
> 
> 
>> Will scoring help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately, 
>> hopefully fruit as it has had neither?
>> Karen,zone 5 WI
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> Message: 34
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:20:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
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> Hello Karen, etl.
>  This article was published in Pomona about 1993. To induce 
> fruiting the cut  would be made below the branch. See diagram #2 
> below. I've sent this before as  an attachment but ibibilo 
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>                                            USING CUTS TO 
> INFLUENCE FRUIT  TREES
> Jerry Lehman, 7780 Persimmon St. Terre Haute, IN 47802-4994
>  One of the places visited while on the 1991 NAFEX trip to Russia 
> was the  botanical gardens at Kiev. There we saw a lot of work 
> being done with form  gardening or espalier. Dr. Ivan M. Shaitan 
> took us through the gardens and  explained what we were seeing. 
> He gave us copies of a book he had written  titled, Beautiful 
> Gardens that Bear. Professor Elena Merenova Who teaches the  
> Russian language at a local college contributed by doing the 
> direct translation.  Elena is an educator not a horticulturist, 
> which made translating this subject  matter challenging for us. 
> If there is sufficient interest within NAFEX members  we would be 
> willing to translate more of Dr. Shaitan's book.
>   Dr. Shaitan wrote: In form gardening we often need to fill 
> empty space in  the tree being formed. The following methods can 
> be used.
> 
> CROSSWISE CUTS are made above the buds in order to  increase 
> their vegetative growth. Cut a strip of bark (3-4 mm) with the 
> wood. If  the cut is done under the bud it will prevent it from 
> forming a vegetative  shoot. A cut under a strong branch will 
> weaken its growth. We recommend to make  the cuts at the end of 
> March or at the beginning of April.  [Kiev is at about the same 
> latitude as Regina, Saskatchewan,  with a slightly more moderate 
> climate according to my atlas--GW, Pomona  Editor]
> 
> GROOVlNG CUTS
> can be used to increase the growth in thickness  of trunk and 
> skeleton branches. Make longitudinal cuts with the help of an  
> orchard knife, also remove some sap-wood with the bark. On the 
> place of the cut,  new tissues will appear and this part will 
> become thicker. This type of cutting  is made in a faltering 
> line.
> Grooving cuts could be used also to treat  wounds, tumor growths 
> or mechanical damage of the bark. In such cases the cuts  are 
> made approximately 10 cm (4 inches) above the wounds and end 
> below the  wound.
> Grooving cuts should be done in the beginning of the vegetative 
> period  from the northem (shadow) side of the tree. Do not use 
> this method on the old  trees with broken bark, which grow 
> slowly. CIRCULAR CUTS of the bark are recommended for strong  
> growing branches in order to turn them into fruiting limbs. The 
> accumulation of  plastic substances [sugars?] (assimilants) 
> results in the forming of flower,  buds, In case of the presence 
> of pollinated flowers the fruits become bigger and  are ripened 
> earlier. Circular cuts are also used in the formation of palmates 
> on  strong central bearers which have overgrown the height of the 
> formation of the  next layer.
> 
> With the help of the orchard knife or special secateurs which can 
> take  a part of the wood along with the bark, remove the bark 
> (4-8 mm wide [0.25 inch,  more or less]) in the form of a circle 
> or spiral cut. This operation is usually  done in Mayor in 20 to 
> 30 days after total blossoming of the trees to favor the  making 
> of flower buds. The wounds from circular cuts heal up (close) in 
> one to  two years. To improve this process you can cover them 
> with grafting wax.
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