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In a message dated 1/20/2012 11:28:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jlfrisk@iowatelecom.net writes:
> Isn't the banana graft also called the "Four flap graft"? I saw it
> recommended especially for nut trees such as pecan. Judson L. Frisk
Yes it is and can be done as a 5 flap. About 3 years ago I demonstrated it
at an Indiana Nut Growers grafting meeting butter nut on black walnut. I
screwed up the match by shaving off too much and told everyone my mistake. It
took anyway. Fred Blankenship, Kentucky Nut Growers hickory expert uses it as
his favorite for hickory. He and I highly recommend it for hardwood
grafting.
Jerry
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Hi Toni,
My students have just about completed all we can do with the samples in han=
d. What's the timeline for getting us some more? Do I need to send US imp=
ort permits?
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1. Re: Pineberry (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
2. Re: Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
at permies) (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
3. Re: Pineberry (John S)
4. Re: Pineberry (Melissa Kacalanos)
5. Re: Pineberry (Road's End Farm)
6. Re: Pineberry (Melissa Kacalanos)
7. 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Doreen Howard)
8. Re: Pineberry (Road's End Farm)
9. Re: Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
(Brungardt, Sam (MPCA))
10. Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
11. Re: 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
12. Re: 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Doreen Howard)
13. Re: Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Matt Demmon)
14. Re: 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Lon J. Rombough)
15. Re: Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
at permies) (Dan Nave)
16. Re: Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
(Dr. Chiranjit Parmar)
17. Re: Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
at permies) (Chris Garriss)
18. Re: Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
at permies) (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
19. Re: Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Judson Frisk)
20. Re: Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Jwlehman@aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:26:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
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Thanks so much for posting this John!? I love anything with an unusual colo=
ur.
But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries both the Pinebe=
rry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How man=
y years until someone brings them both to Canada for me?
?
I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they will ship to Ca=
nada if I promise them gold bricks!
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB
________________________________
From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:25:26 AM
Subject: [nafex] Pineberry
Pineberries are a strawberry species hybrid of Fragaria chiloensis, a white=
fruited strawberry with red seeds.? Available fur purchase in Europe.? Pla=
nts are available also in the US from Burpee.
You can find photos of the fruit, as well as more information here:
http://strawberryplants.org/2010/09/pineberry-pineberries/
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:33:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
forum at permies)
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Nope.? You made the right decision!?
Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries a=
re definitely not seedless.? In fact they have larger seeds than blueberrie=
s.? I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberries =
several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with no=
trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when I=
save blueberry seeds a few years ago.? Burpee's sells theirs as seedless t=
oo.
?
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB
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From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture foru=
m at permies)
Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more, =
I ordered a Tundra,
Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) from=
HoneyberryUSA.? Running
out of room to put stuff...
Dan
On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>
> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>
> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
> the University of Saskatchewan.
> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
> required for the best fruit set.
> haskapcentral
> www.haskapcentral.com
>
> "Honeyberry"
> Jim Gilbert
> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
> many named varieties
> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=3D4_112
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:12:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
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Sarah, Glad to be of help. I'm still debating whether to give it a try or =
not, as the reviews have been mixed. Regarding Purple Wonder, I've seen re=
gular strawberries with that color when they get to ripen in the sun (prote=
ction from the robins, of course), so I'm not too impressed by that. But o=
f course, exploring is what it is about. There is the added benefit that t=
he birds here tend to ignore the white fruited varieties, which is valuable=
to those of us who don't grow things in large numbers. Hard to get by the=
$9.95 per plant + shipping though.
Now, if I could just get a yellow P. maritima!
John
--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
> To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 12:26 PM
> Thanks so much for posting this
> John!? I love anything with an unusual colour.
>
>
> But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries
> both the Pineberry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple
> Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How many years until someone
> brings them both to Canada for me?
>
> ?
> I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they
> will ship to Canada if I promise them gold bricks!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
> To: NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:25:26 AM
> Subject: [nafex] Pineberry
>
> Pineberries are a strawberry species hybrid of Fragaria
> chiloensis, a white fruited strawberry with red seeds.?
> Available fur purchase in Europe.? Plants are available
> also in the US from Burpee.
>
> You can find photos of the fruit, as well as more
> information here:
>
> http://strawberryplants.org/2010/09/pineberry-pineberries/
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:22:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
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Sarah and all,
Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means that the l=
ocal creatures think that white means ripe when it comes to strawberries, a=
nd eat my cultivated strawberries before they get anywhere near ripe.) If y=
ou like, Sarah, I could save seeds from these white strawberries this June =
and send them to you. (I could also send plants to people in the US who wan=
t them.) The plants and berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (w=
hich we also have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I t=
hink this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F. virgini=
ana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's easy to pull the =
fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely different from this pineberry, w=
hich is shown with the calyx attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I=
like my 'Mara de Bois' better.
I'm also growing NW 90054-37 =3D PI 641196, a "black" (actually disappointi=
ngly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US folks, =
let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending out lots of runn=
ers.
Melissa
________________________________
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
Thanks so much for posting this John!? I love anything with an unusual colo=
ur.
But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries both the Pinebe=
rry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How man=
y years until someone brings them both to Canada for me?
?
I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they will ship to Ca=
nada if I promise them gold bricks!
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:26:33 -0500
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Melissa, where are you?
You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track.
(If you use a signature for your email, it can help to put general
location info in the signature.)
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> Sarah and all,
>
> Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means
> that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes
> to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get
> anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from
> these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could
> also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and
> berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also have
> in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think this
> white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F.
> virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's
> easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely
> different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx
> attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de
> Bois' better.
>
> I'm also growing NW 90054-37 =3D PI 641196, a "black" (actually
> disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.
>
> http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
>
> It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US
> folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending
> out lots of runners.
>
> Melissa
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:41:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
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Sorry, central NY state, Ithaca, zone 5. We're neighbors, Rivka.
Melissa
________________________________
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio <na=
fex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
Melissa, where are you?
You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track. (If yo=
u use a signature for your email, it can help to put general location info =
in the signature.)
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
Sarah and all,
>
>Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means that the =
local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes to strawberries, =
and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get anywhere near ripe.) If =
you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from these white strawberries this June=
and send them to you. (I could also send plants to people in the US who wa=
nt them.) The plants and berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (=
which we also have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I =
think this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F. virgin=
iana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's easy to pull the=
fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely different from this pineberry, =
which is shown with the calyx attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but =
I like my 'Mara de Bois' better.
>
>I'm also growing NW 90054-37 =3D PI 641196, a "black" (actually disappoint=
ingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.?
>
>http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
>
>It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US folks,=
let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending out lots of run=
ners.
>
>Melissa
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:38:39 -0600
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva@charter.net>
Subject: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I read this in the current issue of "The Avant Gardener" and wonder if any
of you have knowledge or experience with this propagation program.
--------------
"New breeding work in Serbia is reviving interest in columnar apples.
'Smaragd', the first introduction from the University of Novi Sad (21000
Novi Sad, Serbia), is a cross of 'Granny Smith' x 'Wijcik'. The green
fruits are described as having "fine, crisp, juicy white flesh" with
fine-grained texture and taste superior to 'Granny Smith'. The tree grows
erect and densely columnar, with large and leathery leaves. Depending on
rootstock, 'Smaragd' can grow to about 5 feet in the ground or shorter in
pots.
'Smaragd' is not patented, and limited quantities of budwood for commercial
propagation are being released by the University."
Doreen G. Howard
gardendiva@charter.net
Read my blog at The Old Farmers Almanac site:
http://www.almanac.com/gardening/blog
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:51:37 -0500
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <2FF48D6D-CAA5-4777-97E2-D505C141B442@frontiernet.net>
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Interesting. I've never seen white wild strawberries.
Considering the pest problem it seems to be causing you, maybe I
should resist the temptation to ask for some.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> Sorry, central NY state, Ithaca, zone 5. We're neighbors, Rivka.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Road's End Farm
> To: Melissa Kacalanos
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
>
>
> Melissa, where are you?
>
> You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track.
> (If you use a signature for your email, it can help to put general
> location info in the signature.)
>
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>
> Sarah and all,
>>
>> Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means
>> that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes
>> to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get
>> anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from
>> these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could
>> also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and
>> berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also
>> have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think
>> this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F.
>> virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's
>> easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely
>> different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx
>> attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de
>> Bois' better.
>>
>> I'm also growing NW 90054-37 =3D PI 641196, a "black" (actually
>> disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.
>>
>> http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.htm=
l
>>
>> It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US
>> folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending
>> out lots of runners.
>>
>> Melissa
> __________________
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:02:42 +0000
From: "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt@state.mn.us>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild
fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
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"rarefruit@lists.ibiblio.org" <rarefruit@lists.ibiblio.org>,
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I obtained this info from the University of the West Indies, which recently=
added the book "Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and =
Tobago" by Dr. H.A. Skinner to its holdings:
Publisher: Envirah, 387 Waterloo Road, Carapichaima, Trinidad, West Indies
Tel: (868) 781-0890
Email: Zalimun.Mohammed@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.o=
rg] On Behalf Of Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:46 AM
To: rarefruit@lists.ibiblio.org; rarefruit@yahoogroups.com; rarefruit@san.r=
r.com; NAFEX; Texas Fruits
Subject: [nafex] Sourse of book.
Dear all,
Can any of you help me by telling the source of the following book:
Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago by Dr =
HA Skinner
Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:05:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
Subject: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
To: NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the fearless=
leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of our membe=
rs has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a free down=
load.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3 minutes to do=
wnload on my semi-high speed internet.
?
https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=3DPNW496
Enjoy!
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:19:43 -0500
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
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On 1/19/2012 3:38 PM, Doreen Howard wrote:
> I read this in the current issue of "The Avant Gardener" and wonder if an=
y
> of you have knowledge or experience with this propagation program.
> --------------
> "New breeding work in Serbia is reviving interest in columnar apples.
What is a columnar apple; anything like espaliered or trellised? Is it a
natural form for this type of fruit?
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:24:37 -0600
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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A columnar apple is like a pole with short, stubby branches. They fit well
into small landscapes and large containers.
Doreen Howard
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:33:21 -0500
From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Really nice pictures! Very helpful for a visual learner such as me.
I like the 'banana' graft. I'd never seen that one before.
-matt
z5 se MI
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
> For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the fearle=
ss leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of our mem=
bers has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a free do=
wnload.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3 minutes to =
download on my semi-high speed internet.
>
>
>
> https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=3DPNW496
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
>
> Edmonton, AB
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:43:52 -0800
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Columnar apples will branch, but mostly long straight limbs that arise low =
on the trunk. I've seen old "Wijick" trees with side branches that looked l=
ike Lombardy poplars in form.
The columnar trait is a single dominant gene, so a normal x columnar cross =
gives 50% columnar seedlings. Since the trait is visible in very young seed=
lings, it's easy to breed. At one time there were at least 2 private breed=
ers in NAFEX working on columnar apples, but I forget their names.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgra=
pes.com Winner GWA "Best Talent in Writing" 2003.
Grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a short, low =
resolution clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8Q58zFY0B1M
A video about The Grape Grower : http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/=
04/18/the-grape-grower/
On Jan 19, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Doreen Howard wrote:
A columnar apple is like a pole with short, stubby branches. They fit well
into small landscapes and large containers.
Doreen Howard
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:03:25 -0600
From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
forum at permies)
To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars? The Tundra and Boreali=
s seem like they have
fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit a=
lso. How would you
characterize the taste?
By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.
Dan
On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> Nope. You made the right decision!
>
> Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries=
are definitely not seedless. In fact they have larger seeds than blueberr=
ies. I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberrie=
s several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with =
no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when=
I save blueberry seeds a few years ago. Burpee's sells theirs as seedless=
too.
>
>
> Sarah
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dan Nave<nave1@comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture fo=
rum at permies)
>
> Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more=
, I ordered a Tundra,
> Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) fr=
om HoneyberryUSA. Running
> out of room to put stuff...
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>>
>> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
>> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>>
>> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
>> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
>> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
>> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
>> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
>> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
>> the University of Saskatchewan.
>> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
>> required for the best fruit set.
>> haskapcentral
>> www.haskapcentral.com
>>
>> "Honeyberry"
>> Jim Gilbert
>> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
>> many named varieties
>> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=3D4_112
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:06:36 +0530
From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch_mnd@dataone.in>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild
fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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reply-type=3Doriginal
Thanks a lot.
Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:32 AM
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio ; rarefruit@lists.ibiblio.org ;
rarefruit@yahoogroups.com ; rarefruit@san.rr.com ; Texas Fruits
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
I obtained this info from the University of the West Indies, which recently
added the book "Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and
Tobago" by Dr. H.A. Skinner to its holdings:
Publisher: Envirah, 387 Waterloo Road, Carapichaima, Trinidad, West Indies
Tel: (868) 781-0890
Email: Zalimun.Mohammed@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:46 AM
To: rarefruit@lists.ibiblio.org; rarefruit@yahoogroups.com;
rarefruit@san.rr.com; NAFEX; Texas Fruits
Subject: [nafex] Sourse of book.
Dear all,
Can any of you help me by telling the source of the following book:
Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago by Dr
HA Skinner
Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:41:57 -0500
From: Chris Garriss <cgarriss@garriss.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
forum at permies)
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I was just reading through this thread, and have become quite intrigued. A
quick look and I only found 2 places that sell the plants. Any suggestions
as to where might be the "best" source?
Depending on where I would plant, it would either be 6b (almost but not
quite 6a due to elevation) or 7a/7b interface
Chris
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net> wrote:
> Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars? The Tundra and
> Borealis seem like they have
> fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit
> also. How would you
> characterize the taste?
>
> By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> > Nope. You made the right decision!
> >
> > Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed:
> Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless. In fact they have larg=
er
> seeds than blueberries. I know this for a fact because I have saved seed=
s
> from my honeyberries several times using a household strainer to
> clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of
> straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.
> Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.
> >
> >
> > Sarah
> > zone 3
> > Edmonton, AB
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dan Nave<nave1@comcast.net>
> > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
> forum at permies)
> >
> > Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some
> more, I ordered a Tundra,
> > Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry)
> from HoneyberryUSA. Running
> > out of room to put stuff...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
> >> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
> >>
> >> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
> >> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
> >> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
> >> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
> >> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
> >> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
> >> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
> >> the University of Saskatchewan.
> >> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
> >> required for the best fruit set.
> >> haskapcentral
> >> www.haskapcentral.com
> >>
> >> "Honeyberry"
> >> Jim Gilbert
> >> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
> >> many named varieties
> >> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=3D4_112
> >> __________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:57:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
forum at permies)
To: NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <1327042625.7844.YahooMailNeo@web46013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1
Being from Southern BC, I think that Haskaps/Honeyberries taste like bluebe=
rries crossed with oregon grapes which is not very helpful since most peopl=
e have never eaten oregon grapes!? They have way more flavour than a bluebe=
rry and I love eating them out of hand, but they are not a sweet.
My Tundra and Borealis produced a bit last year and the year before, hopefu=
lly they will do something big this year.? They are larger and fatter berri=
es, but I really haven't had enough to do a taste test between all our vari=
eties and my 150 seedlings: I love them all and they all taste the same to =
me!? Tundra and Borealis were plugs when I got them and they have been thru=
the ringer with me: two years of not so controlled weeds and then transpla=
nted last spring to a nice tilled area which flooded most of the summer and=
then droughted the rest.? My berry patch area is nicely sloped, but the co=
pious amounts of rain ran over the sod surrounding tilled area, sank into t=
he loose earth and stayed there drowning half my raspberries, rhubarb, sask=
atoons, gooseberries and currants.? I think the only thing that didn't die =
in large numbers was the honeyberries!? They are so tough, my older bushes =
produced huge crops even though they were in grass the same 5'
tall as they are!? And they made it thru -46F with no winter protection.
?
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB
________________________________
From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio =
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture foru=
m at permies)
Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars?? The Tundra and Boreali=
s seem like they have
fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit a=
lso.? How would you
characterize the taste?
By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.
Dan
On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> Nope.? You made the right decision!
>
> Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries=
are definitely not seedless.? In fact they have larger seeds than blueberr=
ies.? I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberrie=
s several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with =
no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when=
I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.? Burpee's sells theirs as seedless=
too.
>
>?
> Sarah
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
>? From: Dan Nave<nave1@comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture fo=
rum at permies)
>
> Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more=
, I ordered a Tundra,
> Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) fr=
om HoneyberryUSA.? Running
> out of room to put stuff...
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>>
>> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
>> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>>
>> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
>> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
>> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
>> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
>> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
>> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
>> the University of Saskatchewan.
>> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
>> required for the best fruit set.
>> haskapcentral
>> www.haskapcentral.com
>>
>> "Honeyberry"
>> Jim Gilbert
>> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
>> many named varieties
>> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=3D4_112
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:08:34 -0600
From: "Judson Frisk" <jlfrisk@iowatelecom.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
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Isn't the banana graft also called the "Four flap graft"? I saw it
recommended especially for nut trees such as pecan. Judson L. Frisk
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
Really nice pictures! Very helpful for a visual learner such as me.
I like the 'banana' graft. I'd never seen that one before.
-matt
z5 se MI
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the
fearless leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of
our members has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a
free download.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3
minutes to download on my semi-high speed internet.
>
>
>
> https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=3DPNW496
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
>
> Edmonton, AB
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:36:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Jwlehman@aol.com
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
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In a message dated 1/20/2012 11:28:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jlfrisk@iowatelecom.net writes:
> Isn't the banana graft also called the "Four flap graft"? I saw it
> recommended especially for nut trees such as pecan. Judson L. Frisk
Yes it is and can be done as a 5 flap. About 3 years ago I demonstrated it
at an Indiana Nut Growers grafting meeting butter nut on black walnut. I
screwed up the match by shaving off too much and told everyone my mistake. =
It
took anyway. Fred Blankenship, Kentucky Nut Growers hickory expert uses it =
as
his favorite for hickory. He and I highly recommend it for hardwood
grafting.
Jerry
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