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[Leslie Moyer <unschooler@lrec.org>]

Deb,

I have to wonder if you're making it too hard for yourself.  When we went to 
the online issues, you (or someone? not the members, anyway) were the one who 
decided to upload each article on a separate page with separate links to each 
article and full-color photographs vs. doing just the one-document pdf and/or 
html file that just duplicates the old-format newsletter.  It seems like 
unnecessary work to me.  It would be interesting to know how members are 
reading it (or not reading it)....perhaps an online survey (or--better yet--a 
postcard survey) could be set up to assess this after this full year online?  

I'd like to point out that your correction wasn't necessary....what I said 
was that when the Pomona FIRST went online several months ago (a year ago, 
now?)  this was the case, but now it has been remedied and I am very 
appreciative out here in the boonies!

I've already suggested ways to pay for a print newsletter (while at the same 
time saying I don't necessarily think it is necessary any longer now that 
better download formats are available). That is, charge print subscribers 
more--charge them the FULL and ACTUAL cost of the print newsletter--which I 
think should have been happening all along.  As for who to do it....yes, as a 
board member of several other organizations now and in the past, I know that 
is always the unresolved question.....  Presumably someone was doing all of 
that before it all went online, correct?

Leslie Moyer
unschooler@lrec.org
www.ShadyGroveNaturalFarm.com



On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Deb S wrote:

> Small correction...ALL of the online issues are available in a variety of
> formats including one PDF file.  The individual articles and the full issue
> are also available in HTML as the HTML is the fastest loading for those with
> slow connections.
> 
> I intend to add older issues too, but this will be a slow process.  It takes
> me a good solid 40 hours to put an issue online, which is a big chunk of
> time.
> 
> As to offering online and print...it would be nice, but does anyone have
> suggestions on 1) how to pay for it?  and 2) who will do the work handling
> the print issues and 3) who will keep track of who gets what?
> 
> I can tell ya'll right now that *I* am not willing to add those duties to
> handling membership work and managing the website.
> 
> It's all well and good to want these things, but I don't see anyone stepping
> up and volunteering to pay for them and do the work involved.
> 
> deb
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Leslie Moyer <unschooler@lrec.org> wrote:
> 
>> I think the forum will die a natural death.  I would suggest that anyone
>> who wants to stay here and talk just stay here and talk. Unless the board
>> votes to completely kill this list (which I haven't heard anyone say yet),
>> then I think this issue will take care of itself.
>> 
>> I think that Pomona switched too quickly to the online version before the
>> editor and/or webmaster had the kinks worked out.  The first 2 or 3 issues
>> were IMPOSSIBLY annoying to access and I think it gave many people a very
>> bad impression of an already-contentious issue.  However, with this summer
>> 2011 issue, it is finally available as ONE pdf file and can be downloaded
>> more quickly, read more easily and printed out fairly easily.  Personally, 
>> I
>> still don't like some things about it (the fact that I have to go to the
>> website and log in to get it), but I'm willing to live with that.  I don't
>> think it's unreasonable, however, to offer a "printed membership" to those
>> who would rather receive a paper copy.  "Growing For Market" and other
>> magazines do this.
>> 
>> I'm appreciative of the volunteers working on these issues. It's a sign of
>> how important this group is to people that our emotions run high about it!
>> 
>> Leslie Moyer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Betty Mayfield wrote:
>> 
>>> To the list,
>>> 
>>> I have gone through my files and find discussion in the summer of
>>> 2009 about the formation of a forum but no announcement that one was
>> formed.
>>> 
>>> There was discussion last December (2010) about whether Pomona should
>>> be changed to online. It was said that printing the copy would be too
>>> expensive and cause NAFEX to go broke, but no breakdown of expenses was
>> given.
>>> 
>>> In July 2011 there was an announcement that Pomona was going online
>>> but no indication as to whether this was a substitution for the
>>> printed copy or an addition to it.
>>> 
>>> I prefer to read the printed copy stretched out on the couch with my
>>> cat in my lap.
>>> 
>>> Betty Mayfield
>>> northwest Oregon
>>> 
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