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["Dr.Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch_mnd@dataone.in>]

No, kaki persimmons graft successfully on D. lotus and D. tomentosa too.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Do your Asian persimmons/Kaki graft-reject on 
D.virginiana or D. lotus rootstock? Data...


> I've seen 50+ year-old D.kaki selections, on what I presume are native 
> 60-C
> D.virginiana rootstock, back home in AL, with no graft rejection.
>
> Similarly, I suspect that the Russell Smith/Wye plantings, which have been
> in existence for some decades - some with minimal to no care - are on
> D.virginiana rootstock
>
> Borer damage on persimmon in my orchard has been primarily associated with
> older/larger trees - all of which are D.virginiana selections grafted onto
> whatever D.virginiana rootstock I had handy at the time(chromosome number
> unknown) - and borer entry sites were not associated with the graft union.
> None of my kaki grafts are at the 15-yr mark, and the current oldest
> survivor - probably at the 13 yr mark, now - is grafted about 9 ft up in
> what was a very vigorous D.virginia resprout after I bush-hogged over a 2"
> diameter seedling.
>
> LLP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Hal Love
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Do your Asian persimmons/Kaki graft-reject on D.
> virginiana or D. lotus rootstock? Data...
>
> My D. kaki have not been grafted over 15 years, just 7 years, so this may
> not be relevant, but they are on wild D. virginiana. I am almost certain
> that we do not have the 90-c persimmons here in TN, just the 60-c. They 
> are
> doing great with no sign of rejection. My D. kaki are astringent types
> (Hachiya and Chocolate) plus one hybrid (Rosseyonka). The graft unions are
> very normal looking, and if not for differences in the bark, it would be
> hard to really see the unions.
>
> Hal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Covacci" <filtertitle@aol.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 11:07:44 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Do your Asian persimmons/Kaki graft-reject on D. 
> virginiana
> or D. lotus rootstock? Data...
>
> Group:
>
>
> For all who grow Asian persimmon (D. kaki) and have had their trees for 
> OVER
> 15 years that are on either D. lotus or D. virginiana rootstock....
>
>
>
>
> Please describe your LONG-term experience with Asian persimmon on D. lotus
> (date-plum) or D. virginiana (Americana persimmon) roostock. List 
> cultivar,
> roostock (D. lotus or D. virginiana), and age of tree/graft.
>
>
> Some say that their trees reject after 10 to 15 years; I suspect either
> graft rejection due to incongruence between the scion and understock,
> eventually being made manifest OR perhaps... borers, that are attracted to
> the scaring between the two - which could, if so, be treated.
>
>
> Notes: D. kaki and D. lotus are 90-chromosome species, yet some describe a
> difference in graft-compatability (inter-specific) between astringent D.
> kaki and D. lotus and non-astringent D. kaki and D. lotus. D. virginiana 
> is
> either 60-c or 90-c (northern strain); only the 90-c strain will be 
> suitable
> for D. kaki, being of like number. I'm not sure if I recall that some
> cultivars (astringent or non-astringent) are not suitable for being placed
> upon D. virginiana.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Steve; NJ 7a/6b
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