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[Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>]

Issai is parthenocarpic (sets seedless fruit without pollination).  It's hexaploid and doesn't make pollen, so it can't be used as a substitute for a male.  The fruit fall may be due to the seedless fruit aborting more easily.  It didn't survive the winter in my location.

 

Fred

central Indiana

zone 5b

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

Thank you!  Bookmarked

Pat
Z 7b Charlotte, NC
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I saw the posts on hardy kiwis. I have 5 varieties and have been propagating them out for years, planting them in orchards around central VA. I consistently get fruit on 2nd or 3rd year vines. You have to prune them. I put a pamphlet on my website that covers this issue among others. They are frost sensitive, so that is something you have to plan for in terms of location.
http://conev.org/slackerspamphletsoutheast1.pdf
Alexis

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  1. tastes like pineapple (mIEKAL aND)
  2. Re: tastes like pineapple (Pat Armstrong)
  3. Re: tastes like pineapple (Hector Black)
  4. Re: tastes like pineapple (Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov)
  5. Re: seaberry processing (Stephen Sadler)
  6. air layering (Richard MURPHY)
  7. Re: tastes like pineapple (John S)
  8. Re: tastes like pineapple (mIEKAL aND)
  9. Off topic, Oyster Mushroom (Jwlehman@aol.com)


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:46:41 -0500
From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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Subject: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
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Am now getting the first batch of hardy kiwis from some a. arguta  vines I planted almost 20 years ago & finally found a male (Meader) to pollinate it.  They are twice the size of the a. kolomikta fruits &  have very strong hints of pineapple.  Skins are tougher & more present  than the kolomikta as well.  Virtually impossible to tell if they are  ripe by sight, have to squeeze each one.  These unpruned fines are  grown up a few ash trees & I see some fruit up to 30 - 40 feet up.

~mIEKAL




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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:47:46 -0400
From: "Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>
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I hope I don't have to wait that long.....I planted my male and female this past fall.

P
Z-7b US
----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

Am now getting the first batch of hardy kiwis from some a. arguta  vines I planted almost 20 years ago & finally found a male (Meader) to pollinate it.  They are twice the size of the a. kolomikta fruits & have very strong hints of pineapple.  Skins are tougher & more present than the kolomikta as well.  Virtually impossible to tell if they are ripe by sight, have to squeeze each one.  These unpruned fines are grown up a few ash trees & I see some fruit up to 30 - 40 feet up.

~mIEKAL


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:23:31 -0500
From: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>
To: "Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>, "North American Fruit
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It took me 8 years to get fruit.  I didn't realize that the new growth in spring is as tender as tomato.  It contains the flower buds.  If you cover them  if they sprout before a last frost, they could make it though..  Well worth the trouble.  We pick them hard and let them ripen at room temp. or keep them for a week or two in the frig. to slow ripening, bring out when you want them to ripen.  They're getting quite popular at the local farmer's market.    Hector black, zone 6 middle TN

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

I hope I don't have to wait that long.....I planted my male and female this past fall.

P
Z-7b US
----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

Am now getting the first batch of hardy kiwis from some a. arguta vines I planted almost 20 years ago & finally found a male (Meader) to pollinate it.  They are twice the size of the a. kolomikta fruits & have very strong hints of pineapple.  Skins are tougher & more present than the kolomikta as well.  Virtually impossible to tell if they are ripe by sight, have to squeeze each one.  These unpruned fines are grown up a few ash trees & I see some fruit up to 30 - 40 feet up.

~mIEKAL


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:48:36 -0400
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I had the same problem this spring Hector. My kiwi's lateral shoots
developed early, then were frost bitten and lost.    Only a few
regenerated later in the spring and did not flower.

Betsy Hilborn
7a NC



From: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>
To: "Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>, "North American
           Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: 09/23/2010 03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
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It took me 8 years to get fruit.  I didn't realize that the new growth
in
spring is as tender as tomato.  It contains the flower buds.  If you
cover
them  if they sprout before a last frost, they could make it though..
Well
worth the trouble.  We pick them hard and let them ripen at room temp.
or
keep them for a week or two in the frig. to slow ripening, bring out
when
you want them to ripen.  They're getting quite popular at the local
farmer's
market.    Hector black, zone 6 middle TN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Armstrong" <rancher@carolina.rr.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

I hope I don't have to wait that long.....I planted my male and female

this

past fall.

P
Z-7b US
----- Original Message -----
From: "mIEKAL aND" <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

Am now getting the first batch of hardy kiwis from some a. arguta

vines

I planted almost 20 years ago & finally found a male (Meader) to
pollinate it.  They are twice the size of the a. kolomikta fruits &

have

very strong hints of pineapple.  Skins are tougher & more present

than

the kolomikta as well.  Virtually impossible to tell if they are

ripe by

sight, have to squeeze each one.  These unpruned fines are  grown up

a

few ash trees & I see some fruit up to 30 - 40 feet up.

~mIEKAL


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:46:09 -0700
From: "Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva@Docshiva.org>
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Why wouldn't you thaw them and use a standard juicer, like a Breville?


~ Stephen


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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:06 PM
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I use one of those Finnish steam juicers...



On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Lee Reich wrote:





Does anybody have any tips on getting the juice out of frozen seaberries? I
cut the branches with ripe berries into small enough pieces to fit into a
covered plastic tub, put it in the freezer, and then shook it vigorously
before the berries defrosted. I now have a couple of quarts of berries
cleaned of most leaves, stems, and other debris.


Lee Reich, PhD

http://www.leereich.com/

http://leereich.com/blog.html.


Books by Lee Reich:

A Northeast Gardener's Year

The Pruning Book

Weedless Gardening

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:27:28 +0000
From: Richard MURPHY <murphman108@msn.com>
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Hi Guys;
 Just another failure report.
 I tried Air Layering on Wolf River apple and Smoky Saskatoon.
Both failed miserably. 2 branches each.
Is there a list of plants that respond well to Air Layering?
 Murph
 PS      Making new plants of Saskatoons from root cuttings is a piece of cake!
         Saskatoons from seed are easy, too.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
To: Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com>, North American Fruit
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
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I dug out my biggest one I have this spring.? Had it for 10 years and it only occasionally flowered.? The male I have of the same age has never flowered.

However, I have the variety Issai that flowers and produces fruit every year.? It is self fertile, but some years drops all the fruit before it matures.? It is far less vigorous than the other ones I have.



--- On Thu, 9/23/10, Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

From: Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:47 PM

I hope I don't have to wait that long.....I planted my male and female this past fall.

P
Z-7b US
----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple

Am now getting the first batch of hardy kiwis from some a. arguta? vines I planted almost 20 years ago & finally found a male (Meader) to? pollinate it.? They are twice the size of the a. kolomikta fruits &? have very strong hints of pineapple.? Skins are tougher & more present? than the kolomikta as well.? Virtually impossible to tell if they are? ripe by sight, have to squeeze each one.? These unpruned fines are? grown up a few ash trees & I see some fruit up to 30 - 40 feet up.

~mIEKAL


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:37:38 -0500
From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
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Pat, it's all about getting a male/female match...  the first 3 males I had
didn't work so that chewed up 12-15 years of waiting..  the meader male
flowered in 3 years (not a lot) but I think by next year it'll really start
putting out.

~mIEKAL

Issai hasn't made it in Zone 4b for me...  I'd love to make that one work.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:

I dug out my biggest one I have this spring.  Had it for 10 years and it
only occasionally flowered.  The male I have of the same age has never
flowered.

However, I have the variety Issai that flowers and produces fruit every
year.  It is self fertile, but some years drops all the fruit before it
matures.  It is far less vigorous than the other ones I have.




--- On *Thu, 9/23/10, Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com>* wrote:


From: Pat Armstrong <rancher@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tastes like pineapple
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:47 PM


I hope I don't have to wait that long.....I planted my male and female this
past fall.

P
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:10:12 EDT
From: Jwlehman@aol.com
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: nutgrowers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NAFEX] Off topic, Oyster Mushroom
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Can anyone verify this is the eatable Oyster Mushroom?  We had a rain about three weeks ago and this came up on a dead maple tree. The large one is better than 12 inches across.











 It seems to still be growing and the flesh is tender.
Jerry
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