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["Webmail wynne" <wynne@crcwnet.com>]

regarding the zestar apple at Jerzy Boyz Farm
we have fruited the zestar for 2 seasons and we like it; summer apples
are tricky as you want the flavor to be full and mature but the apple
will get soft on the tree if you wait too long,   We have very hot
summers here in NC Washington state and so depending upon the
particulars of weather that season, it will grow well or just be too
darn hot for the early apples--that said, we have experimented with
misting or
overhead cooling and find that to be somewhat a solution in very hot
years.  The problem we find with overhead cooling is the apples mature
a bit differently and the color on them is a bit different so you have
to adjust your "eye" for the timing for harvest
wynne@jerzyboyz farm

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>    1. Re: lemon juice substitute - Rumex spp.
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>    2. Re: Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and others
>       (Hal Love)
>    3. Re: Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and others
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:21:25 -0500
> From: Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] lemon juice substitute - Rumex spp.
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> "My grandmother was born in Indian territory (Oklahoma) in 1895.  In her
> journal, she wrote about making sorrel pie as a substitute for lemon
> pie.  Sorrel or dock (Rumex sp.) is a sour, lemony green that imparts a
> lemon flavor to savory dishes.  I've never used it in a sweet dish, but
> there is a precedent for it. "
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> There are multiple Rumex spp.   They all are relatively high in nitrates
> and oxalic acid.  Some unacceptably so.  Rumex crispus is associated
> with a documented fatal poisoning episode.  Rumex acetosa has lower
> levels, but it is not a food to feast upon.  Maybe using it for a lemony
> flavoring only requires a small amount....
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> Betsy Hilborn
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:04:26 -0600
> From: "Hal Love" <lovehd@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and
>       others
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> Richard,
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> What did you do with that one seed? Since Rosseyanka is a hybrid with very
> low fertility, a good seed is rare. Nakitas Gift is a seedling of Rosseyanka
> that is probably a backcross to kaki persimmon.
>
> I have Giombo, and a branch broke from the weight of the fruit a few weeks
> ago, but it is still attached and alive. I plan to prune it soon, so I can
> take quite a few cuttings. I also have Chocolate and Hachiya. Chocolate
> ripened earliest and also produced a lot of male flowers. All of the
> Chocolate fruits had seeds, most of the Hachiyas had some seeds, but the
> Giombos had few, if any seeds. Giombo was the last to ripen, and about 50%
> of the fruits did not ripen.
>
> Hal
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> From: "Dr.O'Barr" <Topgun@Otelco.net>
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> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:10 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and others
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>> Pete:
>>
>> I have the Roseyanka(sp) that had over a marketbasket full of delicious
>> seedless fruit except for 1 seed in one fruit out of several dozen. I have
>> frozen the rest. They are delicious to me. I also have Fuyu and Hachiya,
>> Saijo, Tananashi, and Tamopan. I am supposed to have Suruga and Eurecka
> non-
>> fruiting as yet. I had a tree loaded with Saijo fruit, also very good and
>> now majority now frozen.
>>
>> Nafexers, I am interested in obtaining graftwood of the following Japanese
>> Persimmons: Old Homestead, Matsumoto Wasefuyu, Ichikichigiro, Brad Sample,
>> Izu, Honan Red,& Giomba.If you have these I would be interested in buying
> at
>> least three sticks of each. I have one called Giant something but
> missplaced
>> the rest of the name so do not need that one.(Contact me offline) Many
>> thanks.
>>
>> Richard O'Barr
>> Topgun@ Otelco.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Wild Persimmons
>>
>>
>> > Here in MS (Z8) the wild persimmons are about the diameter of a quarter,
>> > and
>> > when they fall from the tree they are sugar sweet and have 4 seeds. I
>> > think
>> > your wild ones are a different type than we have here.
>> > Pete
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> From: "Dr.O'Barr" <Topgun@Otelco.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and
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> I saved it and now it is planted since you reminded me. It was one day out
> of the fruit.
> I would like some chocolate wood . Let me know when you will send it and 4-5
> sticks would be great.
>
> Topgun
> Zone 7
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> From: "Hal Love" <lovehd@comcast.net>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and others
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>> Richard,
>>
>> What did you do with that one seed? Since Rosseyanka is a hybrid with very
>> low fertility, a good seed is rare. Nakitas Gift is a seedling of
>> Rosseyanka
>> that is probably a backcross to kaki persimmon.
>>
>> I have Giombo, and a branch broke from the weight of the fruit a few weeks
>> ago, but it is still attached and alive. I plan to prune it soon, so I can
>> take quite a few cuttings. I also have Chocolate and Hachiya. Chocolate
>> ripened earliest and also produced a lot of male flowers. All of the
>> Chocolate fruits had seeds, most of the Hachiyas had some seeds, but the
>> Giombos had few, if any seeds. Giombo was the last to ripen, and about 50%
>> of the fruits did not ripen.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dr.O'Barr" <Topgun@Otelco.net>
>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:10 PM
>> Subject: [NAFEX] Wild Persimmons and the Rosseyanka(Sp) cross and others
>>
>>
>>> Pete:
>>>
>>> I have the Roseyanka(sp) that had over a marketbasket full of delicious
>>> seedless fruit except for 1 seed in one fruit out of several dozen. I
>>> have
>>> frozen the rest. They are delicious to me. I also have Fuyu and Hachiya,
>>> Saijo, Tananashi, and Tamopan. I am supposed to have Suruga and Eurecka
>> non-
>>> fruiting as yet. I had a tree loaded with Saijo fruit, also very good and
>>> now majority now frozen.
>>>
>>> Nafexers, I am interested in obtaining graftwood of the following
>>> Japanese
>>> Persimmons: Old Homestead, Matsumoto Wasefuyu, Ichikichigiro, Brad
>>> Sample,
>>> Izu, Honan Red,& Giomba.If you have these I would be interested in buying
>> at
>>> least three sticks of each. I have one called Giant something but
>> missplaced
>>> the rest of the name so do not need that one.(Contact me offline) Many
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> Richard O'Barr
>>> Topgun@ Otelco.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Wild Persimmons
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here in MS (Z8) the wild persimmons are about the diameter of a
>>> > quarter,
>>> > and
>>> > when they fall from the tree they are sugar sweet and have 4 seeds. I
>>> > think
>>> > your wild ones are a different type than we have here.
>>> > Pete
>>> >
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:39:59 -0600
> From: "Kathryn Mathews" <kathmath@charterinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Zestar, Snowsweet and Honeycrisp
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> Our local orchard sells Zestar.  I like it a lot.  It is a very flavorful
> (zesty?) and crisp early apple.  I think early September here in southern
> Minnesota.
> Kathryn Mathews
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Chris Garriss
> Sent: 11/30/2008 7:11 PM
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> Subject: [NAFEX] Zestar, Snowsweet and Honeycrisp
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>   However, does anyone have any comments /
> tasting notes on either Zestar or Snowsweet?  While I have heard of
> them, I've not seen any nor talked to anyone that had tried one of them.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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