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[Drevniok <colleendaly@videotron.ca>]

   Hi Helene,

      As an aside:  I finally found some information about the fruit 
produced by the M111 rootstock. There is a picture
   of the resulting apples on page 148 of "Our Apples"  ed S Khanizadeh 
(isbn 0660605430)  - there is a copy
   at the Ottawa Public Library main branch. Unfortunately, there is no 
description about size or apple characteristics - but
   the apple picture shows a lovely red apple with white specks. I have 
written to the St. Jean-sur-Richelieu research station to see if
   someone there can give me information about apple size, texture, 
taste etc

         Peter Drevniok, Gatineau , Quebec zone 5.

Hélène Dessureault wrote:
> Hi Tanis. This is also why I am grafting on M111. As far as cold hardiness I 
> find that they seem OK. When I get a dies back, it is usually due to the 
> variety and the root send out new shoots. M111 seems quite hardy in my 
> location, colder than yours without a doubt.
> I find trees branching out very low and a friend told me to let the main 
> leader reach chin level before letting side branches develop. So I have been 
> pinching back all side shoots to let the tree know where I want it to go...
> I was wondering whether the low lateral meant that the tree was trying to 
> stay closer to the ground. I did though observed since I asked that question 
> that a seedling from a blue pairmain apple that I planted is also growing 
> this way and a few others as well, and these are most likely standard trees.
> So maybe all trees like to develop some side branches along the way, without 
> it being a reflection on their actual tree size.
>
> Pruning is fascinating...
>
> I do have lots of deers, last year being a disaster on the deer front. They 
> like the small apple trees, and totally ignore pears. After the deep snow 
> cover of last winter, the deer population is down, so maybe my trees will 
> have a favorable window to get past the point where they eat the main 
> leader. I tried to explain to them that if they are patient enough, there 
> will be a reward... but to no avail...
>
>
> Hélène
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] M111
>
>
>
> Helene, I'm trying mm111 because of its high rating on drought tolerance, 
> sandy soil, and ability to grow above the deer browse-line.  But it was one 
> of the lesser rated for winter hardiness.  I'm resigned to losing a few 
> trees if my z4/5 location ever goes back to real winters.
>
> I don't have anything on it grown to maturity yet.  Same cultivars topworked 
> on Bud 118 outgrow it.
>
> ________________________________
>   
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:12:19 -0700
> > From: wce1482
> > To: nafex
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] M111
> >
> > I'm not sure how much help I can be as I live in zone 5, but I have a 
> > number on trees on M111 and they act more like full size trees than 
> > semi-dwarf.
> >
> >     
>
>   
> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Hélène Dessureault wrote:
> > From: Hélène Dessureault
> > Subject: [NAFEX] M111
> > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <>
> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 4:34 PM
> >
> > Greetings to all fruit addicts,
> >
> > I am looking for information about sizes of tree, particularly M111, in 
> > colder climate. Let's say zone 3, zone 4, on sandy soil?
> >
> > M111 is supposed to be semi standard, but it seems to me that they perform 
> > more like a semi-dwarf in colder climate. I would certainly like to find 
> > out more about this, as it would be very useful for pruning and for 
> > planting as a matter of fact...
> >
> >
> >     
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