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["Sonja & Raymond Barker" <orchard1@telus.net>]

i think the XXX product should be banned....when my mother sprayed it in the 
family room a couple of years back the smell gave me allergies for months 
and she could not use the room for a long time...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Williamson" <ScottW@acespower.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Febreze nontoxic?-of course not


> I agree and I would also add that the statement 'there is no scientific
> evidence that XXX product is harmful'  does not mean the product is 100%
> safe, even though that is what is normally implied when someone makes
> that claim.  It's just as accurate in most cases to say 'there is no
> scientific evidence that XXX product is safe'.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Olenio
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:03 PM
> To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Febreze nontoxic?-of course not
>
> Hi,
>
> Hello,
>
> Just because national manufacturers give bizarrely specific instructions
> and
> warnings does not mean it is toxic.  It means that 80% of the population
> has
> zero common sense and access to a lawyer.
>
> Toasters come with warnings not to immerse the toaster in your bathtub
> while
> bathing and making toast.  Does that mean it is a safety hazard?  Nope,
> it
> means a lot of people are stupid.
>
> Those instructions and warning are written for the "lowest common
> denominator" of society and to protect the manufacturer from whackos.
>
> Sure, some things need to be handled safely, but most of the warnings
> have
> nothing to do with safety but with people who have no common sense,
> and/or a
> desire to sue.
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Nave
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:53 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Febreze nontoxic?-of course not
>
> Of course febreze is toxic. That's why P&G, the
> manufacturer, gives very specific instructions not to
> use it except as they direct. P&G and a natl
> veterinarians organization both caution not to place
> birds in a cage after spraying with febreze. You must
> allow time for the fumes to dissipate. If you don't,
> birds may be harmed. One of the ingredients is zinc
> chloride. Here's the MSDS for zinc chloride:
>
> http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/z2280.htm
>
> Note the language "DANGER! CORROSIVE. CAUSES BURNS TO
> ANY AREA OF CONTACT. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED.
> AFFECTS THE CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM."
>
> Now the zinc chloride used in febreze is small
> concentration, but if you misuse febreze and many many
> pet owners do, you can harm pets. There are hundreds
> of people who have reported illness or death caused by
> overusing febreze. I am familiar with many bird owners
> whose birds have had health problems associated with
> febreze. Has a scientific lab proved that deaths were
> caused by febreze? No. But when you have dozens of
> animals that were perfectly healthy and their owners
> admit to misusing febreze, and there is no evidence
> for any other cause, the resulting conclusion is
> fairly easy to make, unless you work for P&G. And even
> P&G has bent over backwards to tell people not to
> misuses febreze. If it wasn't toxic, they wouldn't
> bother.
>
> And if you still think that febreze is nontoxic, why
> don't you perform a simple test? Spray yourself with
> febreze twice a day for a month. Then tell us how you
> feel. That's what some people were doing with their
> dogs. The dogs got sick.
>
>
> --- Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > At 11:25 PM 11/13/2007, you wrote:
> > >Febreze is poisonous. It will kill birds, dogs,
> > cats
> > >and just about anything else if used in sufficient
> > >concentration.
> >
> > Urban/Internet myth.
> > There have been no confirmed cases of Febreze
> > causing death in any
> > pet - bird, cat, or dog.
> > "Contrary to rumors circulating on the Internet
> > alleging that Febreze
> > causes serious illness or death in pets, veterinary
> > toxicology
> > experts at the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center
> > regard Febreze
> > fabric freshener products to be safe for use in
> > households with pets.
> > As with any product, it is important that you always
> > follow label
> > instructions for use. However, should your cat
> > accidentally come into
> > contact with Febreze when it is still wet, we would
> > not anticipate
> > problems beyond mild skin irritation (which can
> > occur with any
> > product in animals with sensitive skin) or minor
> > stomach upset, if it
> > is ingested."
> >
> > However, even water will kill all the above animals
> > - and humans - if
> > used in sufficient concentration.
> >
> >
> > Louis L. "Lucky" Pittman, Jr., DVM
> > Veterinary Pathologist/ Dept. Chairman
> > Murray St. Univ.-Breathitt Veterinary Ctr.
> > Hopkinsville, KY
> >
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