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[Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>]

Hallo Jan,
thank you for your explanations!
I understand you well, because I know also a little bit about patenting 
plants at Germany and /or EU.
If you like I can investigate in detail about the costs. In fact we have 
very clear tables about the detailed patenting costs.
I guess it will be between 2000,- and 4000,- € per cultivar. You can 
decide the period and the area of protection (one country, whole EU!!! 
or worldwide).
It is possible to apply at the German office or at a French office (head 
office for all EU). Usually they will choose the place and country where 
the plant is tested.
I guess for Actinidia and Lonicera it will be Germany. E.g. an Italian 
breeder ask for a Asimina patent and finally they decided Germany has to 
do the testing, because no other EU country is more specialized in so 
called "wild-fruits".
Give me some time and I can tell you quite exact costs.
In your case the costs could be reduced, if you provide the testing 
institution with quite large plant which will have fruits in the next 
season.
Germany has also the comparison plants and you have not to provide them 
with these plants.
The test period will be quite short. Usually a few years only.

I understand also your problem with Haeberli... I think you will loose 
always, if you do not make the patenting by yourself.
All over the world big companies like to steal plant rights... They will 
keep you always a foolish.
In your case it is more complicated because Actinidia and Lonicera are 
not cash-crops at the moment.
E.g. no Juglans regia is patented at EU (I think) , but I know of 4 
Juglans regia x nigra patents. Those plants are used in thousands as 
timber-plants at forests...
If you like, I can ask many details and after that you can think about 
the future of your - indeed - better cultivars.
No need to hurry and no need to give them just away to other companies 
at this time!
I think both will have a future because "wild-fruits" will become more 
into fashion. But when will it be?
If you like, you can use also my private address only: 
hans-brinkmann@t-online.de

ciao
Hans




vrana schrieb:
>  I am in Ostrava,its on north and east corner of country near polish
> border,not far from slovak border.Jan Kola, Jasminova 1616, 70800
> Ostrava,Czech Rep.EU    thank you you are very kind, but my sort a.kol. is
> best in world due to description of sorts.Berries are 42mm long, width is
> 14-15mm, weight 4,7gram bigger berry is 6gram.quality good, three berries on
> one stem as common with actinidia. I am streeming for 22 years to get patent
> for it without succes.Mr. Jakob recomended to me Mr. Haeberli. I tried to
> work with him, but he is bad man. I brought to him plants twoo sorts of my
> lonicera and make agreement that he can patent it for his own and he will
> pay to me royalties.He patented it and when I ask money, he said: I do got
> it from someboady other,I do not want to speak with you.He is multiplying it
> in big, he is boss of great consorcium in hungary,and mainly in deutschland.
> All his companies are multiplying it and in catalogues they show picture not
> the sort of mine, but the slovakia sort.Slovakians went from my sorts
> also,and patented it in all europe.I will hardly do something. Haeberli
> know, that i have no money at all, I was working not hunting money.from 1971
> till 1986 I worked ilegaly through nights with Operation Mobilisation
> spreading smougled books for our country, slovakia, russia, ukraine,
> romania.they came and usualy brought 1000kg of books in car.Komunistic
> system named the work Ideology diversion.Iwas often folowed by secret
> police, but they took me only twice and let me go, for I had twoo very
> strong defendants very brave and cleaver,they made fun from komunists and
> secret.in day I was working in factory, afternoon in garden and nights
> travelling with suitcases and often with car of brothers.Hard time.I am
> looking for many plants, but i will have to repay it and I am streeming to
> patent some sort.here I am in war with totaly corupted specialists.They had
> good busines by western countries.TIR was carriing plants like for
> exhibition no custom,no taxes and all this was black busines for deutschland
> , nederland, france, belge,danmark, and others.Nor western countries helped
> to me patent my sorts.Here is very hard to get plant of lonicera.privat
> company is sold out totaly.The boss patented my sort and he is milioner.I
> have here borowed computer Pentium 2,no printing,no photo except mobil.I do
> not sell plants, for I am too busy to keep alive my garden no conditiones to
> multiply plants.I did not find any company here nor abroad, who is honest
> and who can speak about breeders rights.22 years ago I aplied for
> patent,everyboady could have this in garden and could get many vitamins from
> it. My sort of actinidia have 1520mg% of vit C!!! loniceras are best content
> of vitamin Pand other. such boom like lonicera was not here with other
> fruits.I will look for internet addresses, by Jan
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Lonicera caerulea / Actinidia kolomikta
>
>
>
> Hallo Jan,
> druschba tawarisch, dobre djen!
> It's very interesting!
> Real research in new cultivars is done at many places - but usually only
> with "commercially interesting" crops like apples, pears, cherries, grape...
> There is only one place known for it's many, many Actinidia cultivars:
> Bayerische Landesanstalt für Weinbau und Gartenbau near Würsburg/Bavaria.
> If you need any information or material, let me know and I will help you
> for sure.
> I guess they have approx. 100 Actinidia cultivars. If you are searching
> for special Actinidia cultivars (even many, many other fruits and wild
> fruit-cultivars), let me know!
> Even I have a contact to an old Actinidia collector with a very large
> private collection. Unfortunately he has no e-mail.
> In my collection I have only some usual Actinidia cultivars. Could get
> e.g. A. kolomikta "Matowaja" cuttings.
> In which area are you located? I am from Northern Germany near Hannover.
>
> ciao
> Hans
>
>
>
> vrana schrieb:
>   
> > I have many my seedlings,some very perspective.Russians have still
> >     
> better.I
>   
> > went from samples of seeds which i got from rusia,from various places,many
> > samples for 40 years i am sowing and selecting it and actinidia
> > kolomikta.this year I chosed better from all.But here is very dry time and
> > all loniceras have less measure of berry than in usual year. I water but
> >     
> it
>   
> > is not sufficiently often.  I speak deutsch very litle so I try rather
> > english,in spite that i know polish, slovak and russia well.   Now I was
> > twoo days fishing with my son in law.  Probably deutsch have research in
> > many universities. what do you say to my actinidia sort?  Jan
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
> > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea
> >
> >
> > Hallo Vrana,
> > thank you very much! I am always interested in good cultivars.
> > In Germany we have approx. 10 cultivars of Lonicera caerulea var.
> > kamtschatica.
> > Some are the American Blue-series and some are new ones from different
> > origins.
> > Which one do you have in your country?
> > Yes, they contain Anthocyanes(amount?), Flavonole, Rutin, vitamin C,
> > 6-8% sugar and 2-4% fruit-acids.
> >
> > ciao
> > hans
> >
> >
> >
> > vrana schrieb:
> >
> >     
> > > and what do you say for haskap content of anthocyans?
> > > http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/sikikoubou/img10122191101.jpeg
> > > http://item.rakuten.co.jp/kitanomori/hasukappu6/ If interested, contact
> > >
> > >       
> > me.
> >
> >     
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
> > > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries
> > >
> > >
> > > Hallo Doug,
> > > Sambucus is e.g. containing much Appleacid, Grapeacid and Anthocyane.
> > > Anthocyane are very strong antioxidants  with many, many positive
> > >
> > >       
> > effects...
> >
> >     
> > > Probably this is the reason we strongly recommend Sambucus against a
> > > cold, an infection and even against  infection-pain and others effects.
> > > Only "wild"! Vaccinum berries have a much higher content. Vaccinum CV
> > > have almost none content.
> > > We consider e.g. Samdal, Samyl, Sambu and Haschberg (bad
> > > umbel-ripening-time) for a very high Anthocyane content.
> > > According to my information pure S. canadensis has always a smaller
> > > Anthocyane content.
> > >
> > > ciao
> > > hans
> > >
> > >
> > > dwoodard@becon.org schrieb:
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > > > Hans, is there a Sambucus nigra cultivar recommended for anyi-viral
> > > > (common cold) activity?
> > > >
> > > > Doug Woodard
> > > > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 24 May 2007, Hans Brinkmann wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         
> > > > > Hallo Richard,
> > > > > Sambucus nigra "Samdal" is really good, high Anthocyan! medium growth,
> > > > > no special disease-problem at Germany, but many are possible.
> > > > > "Allesöe" has even better harvest because of same ripening-time(per
> > > > > umbel)! is one of the best for commercial plantations at Germany!
> > > > > We use different cultivars for different chemical contents.
> > > > > Probably you have also nice crosses between S. nigra and S. canadensis.
> > > > >
> > > > > ciao
> > > > > Hans
> > > > >
> > > > >
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