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Thanks for the mulberry information, Lee.

By the way, I want to apologize for a phone call I made to you about 2
or 3 years ago, while I was at the New Paltz Chamber of Commerce (while
looking for your now/then defunct nursery).

If you'll recall, I was asking about why you didn't include sea
buckthorn in your book (you stated you have some, but they are
generally rather bitter).  Then, while asking about edible honeysuckle,
the conversation abruptly ended.

This was because the phone required coin payment every 3 minutes, and I
was out of change (having carefully budgeted for the NY State Thruway).

Thought I owed you an explanation, especially as I find your book
(together with Susanna Lyle's) to be the most authoritative current
books I've seen on fruits not requiring overmuch attention.

Any thoughts on goji berries or the new(?), sweeter, varieties of sea
buckthorn?  Esp for zones 6-7 (east coast).  Asked the cooperative
extension at the University of Delaware about the goji berries; they
weren't sure, but thought they might not survive the humidity here.

George Drosehn 




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I believe that the one that I got was Noir of Spain.

Lee Reich, PhD

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On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Michael Nave wrote:

Which Whitman is a true M. Nigra? They allegedly have

more than one. I have grown their Shangri La. It was

not M. Nigra. It did not have stout branches or the

leaf texture of M. nigra.

--- Lee Reich <garden@leereich.com> wrote:

Whitman's M. nigra is a true M. nigra as evident

from the leaf shape  

and texture and the stoutness of the branches as

well as fruit  

quality and ripening time. The reason I grow it in a

pot here in Zone  

5 of New York is so that I can overwinter the pot in

my very cool  

basement.

Lee Reich, PhD

garden@leereich.com

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Weedless Gardening

Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden

A Northeast Gardener's Year

On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:18 AM, Michael Nave wrote:

Morus nigra is widely grown worldwide in areas

with

zone 7 and zone 8 type temperatures and is

reported

sometimes growing in zone 6 and maybe even zone 5.

The

biggest problem we have in the US with regard to

morus

nigra is that we have a relatively small amount of

true morus nigra germplasm.

I don't believe Shangri La is morus nigra. It has

black fruit but it doesn't look like morus nigra

at

all. And the fruit is not that good. Whitman is a

very

good nursery but many nurseries seem to think that

black fruited mulberries must be morus nigra and

that

simply isn't true.

I'm not sure though why so many people in cooler

areas

are fixated on growing morus nigra. I have two

morus

nigra but prefer Silk Hope, Oscars and Illinois

Everbearing mulberries. I don't care whether they

are

morus nigra, morus rubra etc. I just care how they

taste and how well they grow.

But if you're set on morus nigra, try Ernie

Grimo(Grimo Nut Nursery) who I believe has a true

zone

7 morus nigra. Or you can request scionwood next

winter from the USDA's germplasm collection. They

have

Shah Tut and a few other true morus nigra trees. I

think they even have a zone 5 or 6 morus nigra

from

Russia.

--- "drosehngs1@juno.com" <drosehngs1@juno.com>

wrote:

Has anyone out there had success growing a black

mulberry (morus nigra,

not morus alba nor morus alba x rubra) on the

east

coast?  If so, what

cultivar?

Whitman Farms indicates morus nigra to be hardy

to

zone 7, and one

variety (shangri-la) appears to be able to handle

humidity (though I

believe Lee Reich states this is a morus alba and

rather bland).

Please advise.  Thank you.

George Drosehn (zone 7)

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