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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)
  • Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:31:35 -0500

I haven't seen anything like what you describe. My clove currants have been healthy and little bothered by insects. They are in nearly full sun in rocky/loamy soil in zone 6.

Ginda


On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:14 AM, rob hamilton wrote:

This thread of clove currents has been very
interesting, but am I the only one that sems to have
disease problems with them? Most of the ones I have
planted have these warty growths that burst the stem
(almost like rust) and eventually with kill the plant
within 2 years.

I thought about looking in to it and trying again, but
untill know I was wondering it it was worth the
effort.

Robert

--- "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com> wrote:

You'd have to look up the botany of them. I do know
that I have a
golden currant and the leaves are noticeably
different, and the plants
rarely set more than a very few fruits. The
Crandall was far better
suited to my area.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape
Grower, at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden
Writers Association
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:50 AM, Mark and Piper wrote:

Lon,
Both Ribes odoratum and Ribes aureum have a listed
variety called
golden currant. Are these two different things? The
one I know as
golden currant was growing wild in the mountains
east of Boise.
-Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Lon J. Rombough
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or
Buffalo Currant)

I got Crandall in the 1960's and grew it for many
years by itself and
got full crops with no other currants around. I
took stock of that
plant to Weeks' Berry Nursery in Salem, Oregon
about 1980 and they
have been selling it for quite some time. They are
wholesale only, so
you would have to find a garden center that would
buy from them. They
have a website.
I don't have it any more as I remove the row for a
building and the
transplanted plants died due to a mishap.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape
Grower, at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden
Writers Association
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:48 PM, William C. Garthright
wrote:

I appreciate all the comments about these native
black currants (I've
also seen them listed as Ribes aureum, var.
'Crandall'), but there are
two things I wasn't able to determine last year
(before I joined the
NAFEX list). I planted some of these anyway, but
could I get some help
on these questions, please?

1. For best fruit production, do you prune them
like other Ribes
(remove three year and older stems)?

2. I received nothing but conflicting information
about these plants.
Several nurseries told me that the 'Crandall'
variety of /Ribes
odoratum/ (clove currant, buffalo currant, golden
currant, etc.) would
set fruit with just one plant. But the Missouri
Botanical Garden says
Ribes odoratum is dioecious, requiring both a male
and a female plant
to
set fruit. Apparently, this comes from the
reference work, "A Manual of
Woody Landscape Plants" by Michael A. Dirr.

Does anyone here know for sure? Have you seen
separate male and female
plants? Or perhaps it's dioecious, but the female
plants will still set
"some" fruit without a male?

At least one nursery told me that
"cross-pollination" would increase
fruit production, and that a Ribes nigrum type of
black currant would
work for that (and maybe other Ribes species?). If
that's true,
I suppose all these nurseries could be seeing
fruit from Ribes odoratum
because they have other Ribes planted nearby...

I ended up buying from two different nurseries,
but I was totally
confused by then. So I planted 6 of the 'Crandall'
currants and one
seedling clove currant, just in case. But, of
course, I don't know if
the seedling currant is male or female, or even if
they really ARE
dioecious. Anyone know for sure?

Thanks much,

Bill

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their
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