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["Peter Knop" <knop@erols.com>]

We grow a lot of osage orange, a few to be used for grafting of Cudrania
tricuspidata as discussed on this list, but most for use in environmental
fencing - for deer and security purposes.  We also sell material through our
nursery and provide free material (plants and seeds) to universities and
others conducting research.  We have planted over 1 km of "fencing" on our
property and this year will be planting another 2 1/2 km.  We are located in
a suburb of Washington, D.C. (Chantilly) and have a) a lot of deer causing a
LOT of damage as we are the last big undeveloped property here, plus of
course, too many people who think undeveloped land is public land....
  Peter, Zone 7, Chantilly, VA

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>    1. Re: bletting M. pomifera (nottke)
>    2. Pomona Submissions (Dr. Ethan Natelson)
>    3. Re: Bumper Crop! (Kristina & Bruce)
>    4. Bumpercrop of Leaves (Jim F)
>    5. Re: bletting M. pomifera (mark wessel)
>    6. Re: quince rootstock (Dr. Chiranjit Parmar)
>    7. trials (breen@fedcoseeds.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:14:24 -0400
> From: nottke <nottke1@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bletting M. pomifera
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Peter,
>
> I have my Osage Orange seedlings because about a year ago Lucky Pittman
> mentioned that he just let some rot in the bed of his pickup until Spring
> and then worked the seeds out.
> Instead, I just buried half a dozen in a 6 inch deep trench, covered them
> with leaf mulch, and in May they started to appear.  I dug up two of the
> "clumps" of seedlings, teased the roots apart and set them in a furrow.
> Some grew a foot tall and some grew 6 feet tall
>
> Jim, zone 6 NC
> ===========
> >How actually does one best remove seeds from osage orange? This year we
have
> >400 lbs of "oranges" so will be doing quite a bit of work.  Last year we
> >froze them, let them "rot" sort of, mushed it all around and came out
with
> >something more or less useable - but that was only about 50 pounds
> >worth..... I have read about letting them ferment - but wonder how long,
> >etc. etc.
> > Peter Clean Earth Foundation zone 7 VA
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:13:05 -0600
> From: "Dr. Ethan Natelson" <natelson@pipeline.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Pomona Submissions
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> Dear Rob,
>
>       It is never too late to submit an article to Pomona.  I think I am
> the next gathering editor and so you can send it to me directly or to
Jackie.
>
>
Regards,
> Ethan
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:34:10 -0500
> From: "Kristina & Bruce" <herenorthere@lycos.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Bumper Crop!
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> My city runs vacuum trucks around twice every fall to suck up leaves
people rake or, more and more, blow to the curb.  Of course, most people
send the leaves right out into the street, so as to not disturb their
#~^&*$@ lawns.
>
> While causing wrecks and blocking storm drains and luring young children
to play out in traffic, the street-based leaf piles are also getting chewed
pretty thoroughly by cars.  I collect the ground up leaves for compost and
collect all the loose leaves I can to mulch my not quite hardy enough
projects.
>
> Bruce Wittchen
> 1/2 mile outside Hartford, CT
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:05:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim F <bonfire58_2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Bumpercrop of Leaves
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>      Instead of driving around town looking for bags of leaves, I put up a
sign on the corner of my property that says: "Pine Needles Wanted."  I used
to ask for leaves and needles and got up to 30 cu. yds. per season.  My 1.2
acre garden now has 6 to 14 inches of black dirt atop what used to be
blow-sand.  I've stopped raising vegies and am doing predominantly fruit so
now my sign says; "Pine Needles Wanted (no leaves)"  and I get all I want,
nothing bagged so I can see what I'm getting.  I used to accept from
everyone but only from the landscape maintenance people anymore and they
bring it in by the pick-up truck load.
> Jim Fruth
> Pequot Lakes, MN
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> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:38:24 -0500
> From: mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bletting M. pomifera
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>  This year we have
> > 400 lbs of "oranges"
>
> Peter, might I ask just what your intentions are for 400 lbs of OO. Maybe
a
> hedge around the state of VA.
>
> Mark
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:54:56 +0530
> From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
> To: Bill Russell <shaman@pennswoods.net>, North American Fruit
> Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Well loquat is not a temperate fruit.  The tree can grow and even flower
at
> places which are suitab;le for pecahes/plums.  But the fruits do not ripen
> properly and also remain sour at such places.  In North West India,
loquats
> are widely grown in Saharanpur area of the State of Uttar Pradesh.  This
> area is otherwise very famous for mangoes.
>
> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> 186/3 Jail Road
> Mandi  HP  175 001,  INDIA.
> Ph. 01905-222810  Fax: 01905-225419
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Russell" <shaman@pennswoods.net>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
>
>
> > Does this imply that we can grow loquat in cooler climate zones?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
> > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc: "Rob Hamilton - N" <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
> >
> >
> > > In India, quince is widely used used as a rootstock for loquats by
> > > nurseryment.  It does quite well.  So in my opinion,dwarfing quince
> should
> > > also work.
> > >
> > > Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> > > Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Fruits
> > > www.lesserknownindianplants.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rob hamilton" <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well I wanted to use the dwarfing quince as a
> > > > rootstock for a loquat. I dont know if other pear
> > > > roostocks will work. I will need to ask.
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > --- Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net> wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Since quince rootstock is used to dwarf pear, why
> > > > > not use pear rootstock to dwarf quince?
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone may know for sure, but it seems logical.
> > > > > What happens when you reverse the pear/quince
> > > > > union?
> > > > >
> > > > > Later,
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > rob hamilton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry if you have seen this request before, but I
> > > > > dont
> > > > > > this my message went through.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking for a source for dwarf quince
> > > > > rootstock.
> > > > > > anyone have any ideas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert
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> > > From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
> > > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Cc: "Rob Hamilton - N" <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
> > >
> > >
> > > > In India, quince is widely used used as a rootstock for loquats by
> > > > nurseryment.  It does quite well.  So in my opinion,dwarfing quince
> > should
> > > > also work.
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> > > > Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Fruits
> > > > www.lesserknownindianplants.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rob hamilton" <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:11 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] quince rootstock
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well I wanted to use the dwarfing quince as a
> > > > > rootstock for a loquat. I dont know if other pear
> > > > > roostocks will work. I will need to ask.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since quince rootstock is used to dwarf pear, why
> > > > > > not use pear rootstock to dwarf quince?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone may know for sure, but it seems logical.
> > > > > > What happens when you reverse the pear/quince
> > > > > > union?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Later,
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rob hamilton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry if you have seen this request before, but I
> > > > > > dont
> > > > > > > this my message went through.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking for a source for dwarf quince
> > > > > > rootstock.
> > > > > > > anyone have any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:09:19 -0600
> From: breen@fedcoseeds.com
> Subject: [NAFEX] trials
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> hi folks,
> many apologies for my rant on bananas...a topic that leads me down the raw
side of my emotions. i hope you all will talk to me still!
> so here goes: i am looking to trial 5-10 varieties each of pawpaw,
persimmon, and cornus mas here in maine. probably looking at at least a zone
5 trial area with a few in the higher ground zone 4. soliciting suggestions
for varieties....i'm actually doing this to offer them through a nursery,
but would love to keep ya'll informed as the years go by. thanks.
> heron breen
> maine
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