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  • From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucehansen@acd.net>
  • To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Grow fruit higher than deer can reach?
  • Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:18:06 -0500

Charlie:

If you contact me later, I will get you a picture when the leaves are out.
The original orchard was grafted on EMLA 7 rootstock. The deer trim is at
about the four foot level. I like it there because I am able to clean out
under the trees with less difficulty. I now only use MM 111 which is even
better for my purposes. The umbrella training idea could go far. I have many
deer that live on the farm. I suppose that I could rent out a few for
'training'. Better yet, like a bee keeper, I could stake the deer near the
trees to be groomed/pruned.

Bruce z5 MI

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of charles paradise
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:57 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grow fruit higher than deer can reach?


Bruce, [and others who may comment],
Do you use a seedling for your apple rootstocks to get that acacia look?
Would you say you are using umbrella training?
Is M111 a large enough tree roostock to support your type training, or would
only a seedling
rootstock yield the desired height?
Are your trees in Michigan rather unique for your area? I would doubt you
know any other
growers who train their trees in such a way. Would love a link to a
picture.

Charlie Paradise
zone 5/Massachusetts

Bruce Hansen wrote:

> Charlie:
>
> Piece of cake. I have about 400 trees and they all have that acacia look.
It
> is really kind of nice. I use tree tubes for my young stock. Now the only
> problem I have with deer are the city folk who hunt.
>
> Bruce Z5 MI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Charles Paradise
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: [NAFEX] Grow fruit higher than deer can reach?
>
> Suppose I conceded that in a particular orchard deer would occasionally
> get in and browse my proposed planting of apple and pear trees.
>
> You may have seen pictures of trees grown on the African savanna, where
> the tree is leafless up to about eight feet high, then the foliage
> grows with the bottom branches looking like they are growing flat on a
> tabletop, because the foraging animals below have gnawed everything
> they could reach up to. So the first 8 feet of the growing tree has
> been conceded to the wild animals in Africa.
>
> For an example of how this browsed tree looks in Africa, see:
> http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/acacia_tortillis.htm
>
> I'm asking for opinions about the practicality of growing apples and
> pears on standard seedling rootstocks, and trimming so the first
> branches occur several feet off the ground - not easy, I know, for
> pruning and harvesting - but as a proposed way of avoiding the
> necessity of repelling deer.
>
> So, what's your opinion? Possible? Practical or impractical?
>
> Charlie Paradise
> zone 5/Massachusetts
>
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