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[rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>]

Speaking of drinks from minor fruits, has anyone heard
of "tree honey" a drink from China that is maid from
the "fruits" of the Japanise Raisin tree (Hovenia
dulcis)?  


--- hector black <hblack@twlakes.net> wrote:
> That sounds like something they do with Cornelian
> cherry in Turkey.  Only
> they don't want them to ferment so they cover with
> sugar and no water and
> put them in the refrigerator and they work together
> to get the wonderful
> flavor out in a kind of syrup.  It does make a great
> drink.  Water added of
> course.    Hector.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
> 
> 
> >
> > My partner is Romanian & she showed me a way that
> her father make
> > tzica.  In place of the traditional plums we used
> Korean Bush Cherries
> > (which also are large pitted) I but several pounds
> of whole cherries,
> > pit & all into my primary (gallon cider jars). 
> poured an equal amount
> > of sugar on top of the cherries. no other water or
> fluid.   put the air
> > lock on the jar & put it in ta southern window. 
> it was fascinating to
> > watch as the 2 substances turned into a syrupy
> liquid which was active
> > in some way.  lotsa bubbles coming out, not sure
> if it was fermenation
> > as such since there is little or no yeast.  after
> about a month of that
> > her father would have added grain alcohol to the
> mixture, we added cheap
> > vodka.  Seems like weve made a high octane
> cordial.  Yr all welcome to
> > come by for a taste.
> >
> > mIEKAL
> >
> > Im thinking one could do the same with beach
> plums.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Lon J. Rombough" wrote:
> >
> > > I made plum wine once and had to add sugar,
> which I'm sure would be
> > > needed with beach plums.   No reason you
> couldn't add other juice, if
> > > it had enough sugar to bring the total up to
> something decent.  Aronia
> > > comes to mind, as it gets high sugar.   Also,
> the wine I made was so
> > > cloudy I'm sure it would have been better with
> pectinase to break a
> > > lot of that down.
> > > The problem I see with the existing beach plums
> is the high ratio of
> > > seed to flesh.  Yields would be low and it would
> take a lot of work to
> > > extract enough pulp.  However, I have seen what
> seem to be natural
> > > hybrids of beach plums with other species that
> greatly increased the
> > > fruit size, so perhaps that would be the way to
> go.
> > > =Lon Rombough
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grapes, writing, consulting, more, plus word on
> The Grape Grower at
> > > http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> > >
> > > From: Charles Paradise <machelp@attglobal.net>
> > >
> > >      Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > >      Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:12:00 -0500
> > >      To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > >      Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
> > >
> > >
> > >      Lon,
> > >      Do you see the beach plum juice being used
> straight for
> > >      fruit wine? Or being mixed with something
> else like grape?
> > >      [Perhaps Cayuga?] If beach plum were used
> for wine, would it
> > >      be necessary to juice it with complete
> separation from the
> > >      pulp, or could the pulp be fermented as a
> mass?
> > >      Confirmed - the beach plum jam is exemplary
> - but
> > >      manufacturers tend to substitute damson and
> other plums.
> > >      Charlie Paradise
> > >      Massachusetts/zone 5
> > >
> > >      "Lon J. Rombough" wrote:
> > >
> > >           >From what  I have seen of the beach
> plum, it
> > >           should make really good jam, and some
> of the types
> > >           have enough color, tartness and
> astringency to
> > >           make decent fruit wine.  The trees
> have enough
> > >           good traits (resistance to salt water,
> late
> > >           blooming, dwarfing) to make them
> valuable in
> > >           breeding.
> > >           -Lon Rombough
> > >
> > >
> > >                From: Charles Paradise
> > >                <machelp@attglobal.net>
> > >                Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > >                Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:07:39
> -0500
> > >                To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > >                Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
> > >
> > >                John,
> > >                The first year or two of
> flowering, the
> > >                beach plums don't set fruit that
> year.
> > >                After a year or
> > >                two of flowering, then they begin
> to set
> > >                fruit.
> > >                Yes, two of us here in new
> england have
> > >                grown beach plum away from the
> coast.
> > >                It's fine to write an article in
> a
> > >                magazine talking about a niche
> crop, but
> > >                if its to be grown
> > >                commercially then an
> identifiable,
> > >                reliable outlet for the fruit
> needs to
> > >                be confirmed.  The
> > >                fruit is almost always very tart
> and I
> > >                doubt it would find favor with
> most
> > >                people as an out of
> > >                the hand fruit, and besides it is
> small
> > >                compared with hand fruit. I like
> tart [I
> > >                think Gala and
> > >                Ginger Gold apples sweetness is
> just
> > >                appalling] but the public likes
> sweet.
> > >                Charlie Paradise
> > >                Massachusetts/zone 5
> > >
> > >                John Van Hazinga wrote:
> > >
> > >                > The currant issue of  Farming
> (The
> > >                Journal of Northeast Agriculture)
> has an
> > >
> > >                > article on beach plums as a
> developing
> > >                niche market in northeast coastal
> > >                > areas.  I have a set of three
> year old
> > >                trees planted in two locations--
> one
> > >                > on a rich clay soil in Vermont
> and the
> > >                other  a gravel soil at my
> sisters
> > >                > nearby in southern NH that have
> > >                blossomed but not set fruit. I am
> > >                wondering
> > >                > if any growers have had success
>  with
> > >                beach plums away from the coast. 
>  JVH
> > >
> > >           > south central  NH where finally
> seasonably cool.
> > >
> 
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