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  • From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
  • To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [NAFEX] Re: [NAFEX]tree honey from Hovenia dulcis
  • Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT)

Speaking of drinks from minor fruits, has anyone heard
of "tree honey" a drink from China that is maid from
the "fruits" of the Japanise Raisin tree (Hovenia
dulcis)?


--- hector black <hblack@twlakes.net> wrote:
> That sounds like something they do with Cornelian
> cherry in Turkey. Only
> they don't want them to ferment so they cover with
> sugar and no water and
> put them in the refrigerator and they work together
> to get the wonderful
> flavor out in a kind of syrup. It does make a great
> drink. Water added of
> course. Hector.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
>
>
> >
> > My partner is Romanian & she showed me a way that
> her father make
> > tzica. In place of the traditional plums we used
> Korean Bush Cherries
> > (which also are large pitted) I but several pounds
> of whole cherries,
> > pit & all into my primary (gallon cider jars).
> poured an equal amount
> > of sugar on top of the cherries. no other water or
> fluid. put the air
> > lock on the jar & put it in ta southern window.
> it was fascinating to
> > watch as the 2 substances turned into a syrupy
> liquid which was active
> > in some way. lotsa bubbles coming out, not sure
> if it was fermenation
> > as such since there is little or no yeast. after
> about a month of that
> > her father would have added grain alcohol to the
> mixture, we added cheap
> > vodka. Seems like weve made a high octane
> cordial. Yr all welcome to
> > come by for a taste.
> >
> > mIEKAL
> >
> > Im thinking one could do the same with beach
> plums.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Lon J. Rombough" wrote:
> >
> > > I made plum wine once and had to add sugar,
> which I'm sure would be
> > > needed with beach plums. No reason you
> couldn't add other juice, if
> > > it had enough sugar to bring the total up to
> something decent. Aronia
> > > comes to mind, as it gets high sugar. Also,
> the wine I made was so
> > > cloudy I'm sure it would have been better with
> pectinase to break a
> > > lot of that down.
> > > The problem I see with the existing beach plums
> is the high ratio of
> > > seed to flesh. Yields would be low and it would
> take a lot of work to
> > > extract enough pulp. However, I have seen what
> seem to be natural
> > > hybrids of beach plums with other species that
> greatly increased the
> > > fruit size, so perhaps that would be the way to
> go.
> > > =Lon Rombough
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grapes, writing, consulting, more, plus word on
> The Grape Grower at
> > > http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> > >
> > > From: Charles Paradise <machelp@attglobal.net>
> > >
> > > Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:12:00 -0500
> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
> > >
> > >
> > > Lon,
> > > Do you see the beach plum juice being used
> straight for
> > > fruit wine? Or being mixed with something
> else like grape?
> > > [Perhaps Cayuga?] If beach plum were used
> for wine, would it
> > > be necessary to juice it with complete
> separation from the
> > > pulp, or could the pulp be fermented as a
> mass?
> > > Confirmed - the beach plum jam is exemplary
> - but
> > > manufacturers tend to substitute damson and
> other plums.
> > > Charlie Paradise
> > > Massachusetts/zone 5
> > >
> > > "Lon J. Rombough" wrote:
> > >
> > > >From what I have seen of the beach
> plum, it
> > > should make really good jam, and some
> of the types
> > > have enough color, tartness and
> astringency to
> > > make decent fruit wine. The trees
> have enough
> > > good traits (resistance to salt water,
> late
> > > blooming, dwarfing) to make them
> valuable in
> > > breeding.
> > > -Lon Rombough
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Charles Paradise
> > > <machelp@attglobal.net>
> > > Reply-To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:07:39
> -0500
> > > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] beach plums
> > >
> > > John,
> > > The first year or two of
> flowering, the
> > > beach plums don't set fruit that
> year.
> > > After a year or
> > > two of flowering, then they begin
> to set
> > > fruit.
> > > Yes, two of us here in new
> england have
> > > grown beach plum away from the
> coast.
> > > It's fine to write an article in
> a
> > > magazine talking about a niche
> crop, but
> > > if its to be grown
> > > commercially then an
> identifiable,
> > > reliable outlet for the fruit
> needs to
> > > be confirmed. The
> > > fruit is almost always very tart
> and I
> > > doubt it would find favor with
> most
> > > people as an out of
> > > the hand fruit, and besides it is
> small
> > > compared with hand fruit. I like
> tart [I
> > > think Gala and
> > > Ginger Gold apples sweetness is
> just
> > > appalling] but the public likes
> sweet.
> > > Charlie Paradise
> > > Massachusetts/zone 5
> > >
> > > John Van Hazinga wrote:
> > >
> > > > The currant issue of Farming
> (The
> > > Journal of Northeast Agriculture)
> has an
> > >
> > > > article on beach plums as a
> developing
> > > niche market in northeast coastal
> > > > areas. I have a set of three
> year old
> > > trees planted in two locations--
> one
> > > > on a rich clay soil in Vermont
> and the
> > > other a gravel soil at my
> sisters
> > > > nearby in southern NH that have
> > > blossomed but not set fruit. I am
> > > wondering
> > > > if any growers have had success
> with
> > > beach plums away from the coast.
> JVH
> > >
> > > > south central NH where finally
> seasonably cool.
> > >
>
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