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- From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
- To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:06:09 -0700
Urban SAR logistics can be very different from Wilderness SAR -
how convenient, Irv, to be so close to civilization that you have all those local
resources readily available instead of providing and doing most everything
yourself! In comparison … probably 99% of our county call-outs are
wilderness, with most of them deep and steep mountain backcountry. The norm for
us is planning at least 1 overnight either at camp or in the field. The vast
majority of the time the CP, staging area, etc., is all set up at a trailhead
that is commonly at the end of a long narrow dirt road that is buried in snow
during winter. It commonly takes several hours to drive there. We have a CP destination
identified prior to activation of resources. If the location isn’t one we’ve
used frequently before and has a location name all responders will recognize,
activation includes the lat-long. Traffic control is rarely an issue, but I recall years ago zooming
up the mountain for an injured rider carryout and stopping roadside for a few
minutes to help 2 local volunteer Fire rescue the injured driver of a
vehicle off the side of the road – luckily in a low angle area where she
was blocked by trees instead of off a cliff - and I think 1 car drove
past in the controlled single lane. ;-) Hasty command includes a mobile CP trailer with communications. If
we want outside communications beyond satellite phone (we very rarely have cell
service up the mountain) we request the communications trailer from State mutual
aid to provide phone land lines, Internet, etc., via satellite. Often we need
to bring in water (300 gal water buffalo that can be towed off and be refilled),
portable toilets, cook trailer, BYO method to tether / contain the horses and
mules, etc. We police our own area to clean up prior to departing. If resources
are sleeping in camp instead of in the field, most pitch a tent or have a
vehicle rigged for sleeping. The vast majority of our personal response vehicles,
including towing vehicles, are 4wd so we don’t have the ground clearance
issues common to street vehicles. Since we have major elevation changes during response and in the
field, which is already stressful on the mounts, we don’t add to that
stress by providing feed they aren’t already accustomed to. We’re a
long way from any ambulance or helicopter medical response, and even further
from equine medical help. Even at the CP we’d be several hours drive from
vet services, much less if rider and sick / injured horse are out in the field
multiple hours ride away. So wilderness MSAR includes haul in your own horse water
for at least 24 hours, and enough feed for 72. If the SAR runs longer we
arrange for a team member still down in the valley to bring feed up the
mountain. And trailers and field packs contain more than bare bones equine first
aid. - - - - - - Jorene Downs SAR & CERT Mounted SAR From: IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN
[mailto:ilichten1@verizon.net] […] “Soldiers
study tactics, generals study logistics, ” or something like that.
If we are going to be in the field overnight we order the comforts of
home--- canteen truck, field com unit, potable water tenders (we call them
tankers here), set up corrals, call the local hay dealer, and the mushroom
growers to clean up. Can’t have an adverse environmental impact. If
we are at an established campsite there is usually a well and portables.
If not the logistics guy arranges for everything. One county EMA
director got us the parking lot of a museum, complete with hoses to cool down
the stock, 2 com vans (one was a 45 foot MCI coach), unlimited cell phone
service, and one pot for every 10 searchers. And a bunch of public works
people to clean up after us. All the search manager wanted to do was sit
in the sun instead of using all the air conditioned technology. We try not
to roll without knowing where we will be setting up, dropping off, and
parking. While I use a 4 horse stock bumper pull which is relatively
maneuverable many now use 3 horse slant loads or tack room equipped low riders
behind crew cab duallies and campers. The slightest bump can hang one of
these up or get it somewhere where it has to be backed out very
carefully. We may scout the route or rely on local knowledge, and try to
avoid getting boxed in. |
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[MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
QUINCYDEW, 06/14/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
T'mi Fi, 06/14/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
Jorene Downs, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
Jorene Downs, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
Jorene Downs, 06/16/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious, IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/16/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious, Jorene Downs, 06/16/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team logistics, IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/17/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team logistics, Jorene Downs, 06/18/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team logistics, IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/19/2009
- [MSAR] logistics write medical plans, Una Smith, 06/19/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team logistics, Jorene Downs, 06/19/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team logistics, Una Smith, 06/19/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
Jorene Downs, 06/16/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
Jorene Downs, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team--obvious,
IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
Jorene Downs, 06/15/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
T'mi Fi, 06/14/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?, IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/14/2009
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Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?,
pennbo, 06/14/2009
- Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?, IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN, 06/14/2009
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