Mounted search and rescue

["philip easley" <easleyranch@foothill.net>]

Another thing Shelly,
There is no such thing as a stupid question.  If you do not know or are not
sure and you never ask, then you will never find out.
Philip Easley
NCSSAR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patty Montoya" <riverrider@bak.rr.com>
To: <shicks@nwinc.net>; "Mounted search and rescue"
<msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hobbles


> Sherry, this message is just to you, (or should be if I'm doing it
right...
> Your comment about not trying to be difficult... you're absolutely right.
> That's how we all learn from each other if having a healthy debate.  No
> matter how much I may think I'm set in my way on something, invariably
> someone comes up with another point of view that changes my thinking.
> Thanks for your input.  Patty
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sherry C. Hicks" <shicks@nwinc.net>
> To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hobbles
>
>
> > OK, I'm the greenie. I just have to ask, is it safe to hobble in an
> > uncontrolled area. I agree with you that a policy should be complied
with
> > or
> > changed. You are talking about using hobbles instead of ties. There are
> > times when a horse is justified in flight. In the areas where we would
> > search there are sometimes packs of dogs, other areas would have worse
> > like
> > bear or even cougar. Is it safe to use hobbles on a horse and leave it
> > unattended.
> >
> > It is true that I am not a fan of hobbles; however, I have seen
situations
> > where their use was necessary and proper. It also seems that you ought
to
> > require a certain level of training for a horse used in MSAR. Do they
have
> > to pass any kind of test before being accepted for use? It seems that a
> > horse that is not sufficiently trained could hinder a search.
> >
> > I'm no trying to be difficult, just learn.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sherry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jorene Downs
> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:57 PM
> > To: Mounted search and rescue
> > Subject: [MSAR] Hobbles
> >
> > From: "Patty Montoya" <riverrider@bak.rr.com>
> >> Also, our unit requires that we pack hobbles, but I always highline or
> >> electric fence my horses.  So, I went out and bought hobbles with no
> >> intent
> >> to use them.  I don't really want to get into a discussion of the pros
or
> >> cons of the hobbles themselves, I'm more interested in opinions of the
> >> unit
> >> REQUIRING that I use them.  Should the individual make this decision,
or
> >> are
> >> we obligated to follow this rule just as we are obligated to follow
other
> >> MSAR rules and regulations?
> >> Patty/California
> >
> > If it is a unit requirement, all should conform ... and demonstrate
> > appropriate use of that equipment. If folks disagree with the
requirement,
> > vote to change it. ;)
> >
> > Assuming the horse is broke to hobbles and respects their restraint,
they
> > can be very useful when you're in a situation in the field where you
need
> > to
> >
> > temporarily leave the horse unattended, there is no convenient location
to
> > tie, and you want all hands available instead of someone dedicated to
> > holding all the livestock.  (This also assumes all the horses are not
> > taught
> >
> > to ground tie.)
> >
> > -Jorene
> >
> >
> >
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