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- From: idyllwild farm <idyllwildfarm AT gmail.com>
- To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born
- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:16:50 -0400
I was a suburban kid who got a land-grant ag degree. At that time (early 80's) there were only 19 undergrads in
Plant and Soil. The enrollment in other ag related degrees was similar, although enrollment at the two year programs
was higher. Meanwhile, other majors had thousands of students (and long lines).
Fortunately, for me, I had an uncle recommend early on the importance of practical experience. I expected
and got the science education at school and farmside I got the experience in hard work, how to grow organically, how
to run a farm, etc. The way I look at it, each part did what they did best. While I think we could make some broad generalizations
about "kids" today, I do think that we sometimes expect 20 year olds to know what we know without the benefit of experience. The
college kids that worked for me didn't know a thing about selling at a market on day one and I didn't expect it. But by the end of the
summer, they sure had a good idea.
Due to it's nature, land grant ag is always going to be research driven- focused on the specific. It's the nature of the beast.
However, the most radical thing a land grant ag program could do is take a liberal arts approach and graduate students who have
fully developed their intellect and rational thought capabilities along with knowledge of soils, animals, insects, plants, etc. Then,
students (and their parents) might feel like they have options to farm, further their education or switch careers if farming doesn't work out.
Regards,
Mike
Idyllwild Farm
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:23 PM, <KAKerby AT aol.com> wrote:
Alison, thank you. Your comments represent exactly many of the concerns I see represented by those folks who are looking to the universities to produce not only employees, but the next generation of farmers to carry on what we work so hard to produce. That's a whole lot more involved than just training up a vocation. Whatever answers we come up with as a nation, have to answer both that immediate "keep the business going" aspect, as well as the deeper "preserve the integrity of the farm" aspect. Steep requirements. Scary to think of the alternatives if we fail.In a message dated 11/2/2010 5:39:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alison.wiediger AT hart.kyschools.us writes:I'd like to chime in on this as well. We sometimes do farm tours for university ag classes. One, it is always disturbing how little they know about really important things - like identifying insect life stages, weeds, soil improvement, marketing. More disturbing, however, is how few, if any, intend to farm. From many what we hear is that their parents have funded their education, and expect them to use it in a better way than farming - even if farming is what they really want to do.
We look at the cost of farmland, then at the cost of infrastructure, and wonder how any young people start to farm. It is literally impossible to cash flow the cost of most farmland in our area (SC Kentucky) and we don't have costly land compared to many parts of our country.Finally, we'd like to see a program (and some states have them) for pairing young aspiring farmers with farmers wanting to retire. Allow those who want to farm to acquire the farm and the knowledge to farm it while the "old folks" are still there to help. We know we can't farm forever, and don't have any children to leave it to. And, even if we did, many children don't want to "farm" the farm. IT would be nice to know our work and farm would continue after we are gone, rather than be divided up for yet more urban sprawl.
Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel FarmBottom line, most young people who grow up on farms don't see how they can survive the risk and farm like their parents. And they may not know how to farm any other way. Its become a very narrow discipline the way it is practiced now. The Universities are not training folks to farm new ways, because no students will register for such classes. And student registration drives policy at Universities.
Bill
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Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born
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- Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born, Bill Shoemaker, 11/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born,
Pamela Crowe, 11/02/2010
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Jay Sleichter, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] Advice on Moving a greenhouse, Richard Robinson, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] Advice on Moving a greenhouse, Wendy's Produce, 11/02/2010
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[Market-farming] Advice on Moving a greenhouse,
Jay Sleichter, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born, Mike Rock, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born, Etienne Goyer, 11/05/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] A research project is born,
Richard Moyer, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] A research project is born, Don Lareau, 11/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born,
KAKerby, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born, idyllwild farm, 11/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born,
SaladG, 11/02/2010
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Richard Stewart, 11/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] Horseradish Question, Richard Stewart, 11/03/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born,
andrea davis, 11/03/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] a research project is born, Mike Rock, 11/03/2010
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[Market-farming] Horseradish Question,
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