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  • From: "sue roseman" <swissy AT socket.net>
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  • Subject: [Market-farming] The Perfect Farm
  • Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:53:35 -0500

Thanks to all who have posted about someday of the perfect farm. I was feeling very low and grumpy with all the rain,weeds,heat and everything blooming out at the same time. That made me smile and realize that there are alot of others in the same boat. I am not flooded out and so far the house is still standing.

The perfect farm awaits me in Heaven!
Thanks again from soggy MO
Sue Zone 5
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Today's Topics:

1. Weed Guard (Barking Cat Farm)
2. Re: Weed Guard (SaladG AT aol.com)
3. Re: Weed Guard (clearviewfarm AT bluefrog.com)
4. Re: Shading an overheated greenhouse (MAsteveINE)
5. Re: Hail damaged drip tape? (cjmaness AT juno.com)
6. Re: Hail damaged drip tape? (Todd Lister)
7. Re: Hail damaged drip tape? (cjmaness AT juno.com)
8. Re: Hail damaged drip tape? and perfection (Road's End Farm)
9. Re: Hail damaged drip tape? and perfection (E C GRANATA)
10. Re: Shading an overheated greenhouse (Jay Sleichter)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:20:13 -0500
From: Barking Cat Farm <barkingcatfarm AT mindspring.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Weed Guard
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Anyone have any experience with using paper mulches? I've searched the archives and can't find anything recent. I was looking at WeedGuard Plus (www.weedguardplus.com). They have OMRI listed versions. Any feedback is appreciated. We'll be dealing with weeds for awhile while we bring our soil into better fertility. The less time we spend cultivating and hand weeding, the better.

Also, how do you cover the edges? Any fresh ideas besides using a blade on a tractor to throw up dirt, staples or sand bags? The blade method works well, but can't be done in all areas due to space constraints.

Thanks in advance,

Kim
Barking Cat Farm
Texas where August arrived in May

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:50:30 EDT
From: SaladG AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Weed Guard
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I was planning on using some this year but had enough black left over that
from last year that I didn't need to order any mulch this year, but I was
planning on using my mulch layer to put it down. The price is a little
high but the clean up looks quite simple, just till in the ground. I want to
use it in our lettuce crops, retill and relay mulch every month or 6 weeks,
saves doing what I'm doing today, lifting plastic mulch and getting rid of
old product which is hard to get out of the planted holes. I run a mower
over the old crop and cut as short as I can and not get into the mulch and
wrap it up in the mower.

Phil from Iowa.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:04:55 -0700
From: <clearviewfarm AT bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Weed Guard
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Although I don't use the Weed Guard, I use a hilling disc on my mid-mount Farmall Super C cultivator to throw dirt on the edge of plastic mulch or row cover. With the Weed Guard, you can drive over the top of the mulch and point the disc so as to put dirt along the edge of the WG. Then, go to the end of the mulch, turn around and do the same to the other side.

Kurt Forman
Clearview Farm
Palmyra, NY 14522

--- barkingcatfarm AT mindspring.com wrote:

From: Barking Cat Farm <barkingcatfarm AT mindspring.com>
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [Market-farming] Weed Guard
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:20:13 -0500



Anyone have any experience with using paper mulches? I've searched the archives and can't find anything recent. I was looking at WeedGuard Plus (www.weedguardplus.com). They have OMRI listed versions. Any feedback is appreciated. We'll be dealing with weeds for awhile while we bring our soil into better fertility. The less time we spend cultivating and hand weeding, the better.

Also, how do you cover the edges? Any fresh ideas besides using a blade on a tractor to throw up dirt, staples or sand bags? The blade method works well, but can't be done in all areas due to space constraints.

Thanks in advance,

Kim
Barking Cat Farm
Texas where August arrived in May
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:07:37 -0400
From: "MAsteveINE" <MAsteveINE AT 207me.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Shading an overheated greenhouse
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Shade paints, available from greenhouse supply companies, are the old timey way

of keeping down temps inside. Depending on location and climate an application

or two per season is generally enough. The bigger the building the more serious the

equipment for spraying gets. On those old glass houses that were rough as a cob

with nails, glass clips, and broken glass it was much easier to spray than to try to drag

cloth over.

Shade cloth is cheaper over time, simple to pull over poly houses, more uniform

in its result. Cloth over any vent opening will reduce the air flow, houses with vents

at the ridge will run cooler if the cloth is suspended on wires a few feet above ridge

height.

MAsteveINE



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:50:26 GMT
From: "cjmaness AT juno.com" <cjmaness AT juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape?
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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We have had the same thing happen many times. The first time it happened to us, we couldn't figure what had happened. But, after repeated hail storms the light bulb finally went off. Last year we had baseball size hail and it really wiped out the drip tape. We always use 6 mil tape and have wondered if buying 8 mil or even heavier would make a difference. We're cheap though, and with 6 mil we get 10,000 feet per roll, vs. the 8 mil with 7500 feet per roll. We don't try and save or re-use the tape so... we do cheap.
Carla
Perkins, OK and we are dealing with suck your boots off mud right now.

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:23:54 -0400
From: Todd Lister <toddlister1 AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape?
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Why don't you reuse your tape?
Todd Lister

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:50 PM, cjmaness AT juno.com <cjmaness AT juno.com>wrote:

We have had the same thing happen many times. The first time it happened to
us, we couldn't figure what had happened. But, after repeated hail storms
the light bulb finally went off. Last year we had baseball size hail and it
really wiped out the drip tape. We always use 6 mil tape and have wondered
if buying 8 mil or even heavier would make a difference. We're cheap though,
and with 6 mil we get 10,000 feet per roll, vs. the 8 mil with 7500 feet per
roll. We don't try and save or re-use the tape so... we do cheap.
Carla
Perkins, OK and we are dealing with suck your boots off mud right now.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:37:38 GMT
From: "cjmaness AT juno.com" <cjmaness AT juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape?
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Well.... our fields get weedy. REALLY weedy. And, we always use the 6 mil stuff. So, by the end of any particular crops season the tape is pretty much trash. We have tried to reuse. Many times. But, the 6 mil is pretty thin, and with the normal wear and tear it gets, then you add in us trying to pull it out through the weeds, well, it doesn't really hold up very well. Our rows are all 500 feet long. It tangles around a clump of Johnson grass, or buffalo bur which rips it to shreds...
We've put a pencil to it many times and we come out ahead to just pull it out and recycle and lay down new.
Some day our farm will be perfect. There will be no Johnson grass. There will be no weeds anywhere. Perfect rows. Perfectly straight. Amazing yields. Precisely one inch of rain each week. No more of this 10 inches all at one time stuff.
yeah right.
Carla
Perkins, OK

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:45:34 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape? and perfection
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:37 PM, cjmaness AT juno.com wrote:

Some day our farm will be perfect. There will be no Johnson grass.
There will be no weeds anywhere. Perfect rows. Perfectly straight.
Amazing yields. Precisely one inch of rain each week.

No morning glory. No Canada thistle. Only enough lambsquarters and
amaranth and purslane to harvest for greens. And that one inch of rain
will arrive politely between midnight Saturday and dawn on Sunday,
spread out evenly over that time.

It will positively not rain every Wednesday afternoon and Saturday
morning, which is when we're at farmers' market. Open-air farmers'
markets.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly (where the forecast is for
rain tomorrow / Wednesday. Again. But at least they're not predicting
10 inches!)
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:46:10 -0600
From: E C GRANATA <elainegranata AT msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape? and perfection
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Camelot, Camelot! There is such a place, isn't there?



Elaine

From: organic87 AT frontiernet.net
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:45:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Hail damaged drip tape? and perfection


On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:37 PM, cjmaness AT juno.com wrote:

> Some day our farm will be perfect. There will be no Johnson grass.
> There will be no weeds anywhere. Perfect rows. Perfectly straight.
> Amazing yields. Precisely one inch of rain each week.

No morning glory. No Canada thistle. Only enough lambsquarters and
amaranth and purslane to harvest for greens. And that one inch of rain
will arrive politely between midnight Saturday and dawn on Sunday,
spread out evenly over that time.

It will positively not rain every Wednesday afternoon and Saturday
morning, which is when we're at farmers' market. Open-air farmers'
markets.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly (where the forecast is for
rain tomorrow / Wednesday. Again. But at least they're not predicting
10 inches!)
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Sleichter <jaysleichter AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Shading an overheated greenhouse
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Shade cloth wasn't in the budget for this year. So I did the next best thing I could think of to reduce the heat. I pulled row cover between the ribs and the plastic. While some won't think it is a good idea, It is cooler in the buildings and I am proud that it is working.

Jay
Jay's Jellies, Produce and More

Clay Center, Kansas

www.jaysjellies.com

http://highfarming.blogspot.com/

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, MAsteveINE <MAsteveINE AT 207me.com> wrote:

From: MAsteveINE <MAsteveINE AT 207me.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Shading an overheated greenhouse
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:07 PM





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Shade paints, available from greenhouse supply
companies, are the old timey way
?
of keeping down temps inside. Depending on location
and climate an application
?
or two per season is generally enough. The bigger
the building the more serious the
?
equipment for spraying gets. On those old glass
houses that were rough as a cob
?
with nails, glass clips, and broken glass it was
much easier to spray than to try to drag
?
cloth over.
?
Shade cloth is cheaper over time, simple to pull
over poly houses,? more uniform
?
in its result. Cloth over any vent opening will
reduce the air flow, houses with vents
?
at the ridge will run cooler if the cloth is
suspended on wires a few feet above ridge
?
height.?
?
MAsteveINE
?
?
?
?
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