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  • From: "D Dunbar" <dunbar2 AT netdirect.net>
  • To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [Market-farming] Totally Tomatoes germination follow-up
  • Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:37:41 -0500

I agree with everyone that we may have some "possible" issues with the post
office, but I had also ordered seed from Johnny's and Stokes. The only
other failures I had were some F1 flowers from Stokes. Otherwise, I had
normal germination rates. I ordered both tomatoes and peppers from TT.
They both had the same failure issues.
Dana Dunbar
Dunbar Family Farms

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Interesting reading on a cold and snowy day (Liz Pike)
2. RE: Interesting reading on a cold and snowy day (Marie Kamphefner)
3. Re: POOR GERMINATION (Leigh Hauter)
4. Re: Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes) (Del Williams)
5. Re: Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes) (Willie McKemie)
6. tomatoes, TM, and seeds (Hook Family)
7. Re: Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes) (Liz Pike)
8. Re: Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes) (Del Williams)
9. RE: Mid week markets (Wiediger, Alison)
10. Re: Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes) (Willie McKemie)
11. Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog (Robert
Farr)
12. Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog (Bill
Shoemaker)
13. Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog (Mike
Steinberg)
14. RE: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
(Wiediger, Alison)

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Message: 1
From: "Liz Pike" <liz AT laughingbrookfarm.com>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Interesting reading on a cold and snowy day
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:24:09 -0500
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

> I am considering registering "This is really good shit" for my produce so
> don't anybody on this list us this description anymore.

Bob, I don't want to know what your logo will look like ; ))

As for me, I'm just calling mine "Food".

On second thought, nix that. The ACLU will sue me because some kid
somewhere objects to my use of "Food" to describe green thingies he doesn't
want to eat ; ))

Liz Pike
Laughingbrook Farm
Westfield NC
http://www.marketfarming.com
http://www.laughingbrookfarm.com
http://www.laughingbrookfarm.com/liz



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Message: 2
From: "Marie Kamphefner" <kampy AT grm.net>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Interesting reading on a cold and snowy day
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:26:43 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org



Jay Gee wrote:


Don't be irritated Marie, be pragmatic.

Thanks Jay Gee, but I was in the Emotional Outburst line when they were
handing out Pragmatism.

I am considering registering "This is really good shit" for my produce

Thank you Bob! I laughed out loud on this one!

Marie in Missouri



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:30:00 -0500
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
From: Leigh Hauter <lh AT pressroom.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Re: POOR GERMINATION
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

The issue of irradiating mail isn't a postal worker issue. Allan's
concern is that they were irradiating some of the mail in the dc area
(mostly congressional mail). However, this has stopped because it
didn't accomplish what it set out to do, it ruined the mail and it
caused toxic chemical release. Congress people and their employees
were mostly getting their mail irradiated and there were so many
complaints about the chemical smell and the ruined mail that hearings
were held and generally, the post office stopped.

Since Allan farms near dc his fear is that his seeds could have been
irradiated. I understand the process was so destructive of packaging
that you would have known by the brittle paper.

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Message: 4
From: "Del Williams" <delannw AT dlogue.net>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:36:34 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

LOL, Liz and all... what are we doing up reading email at this hour?

Well I'm in CST...

It's 5:30 AM! And I've been up for a couple hours anyway... working.

I'm so sad to hear about bad service from Totally Tomatoes. They have an
old variety I would like to try growing. My grandfather used to grow it and
I thought the seed was totally lost.

Is it possible that some old varieties have lower germination rates and are
not particularly suitable for market gardeners who don't want to be guessing
on that?

Del Williams
Clifton, IL



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:16:35 -0600
From: Willie McKemie <mckemie AT austinfarm.org>
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes)
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

> Is it possible that some old varieties have lower germination rates and
are
> not particularly suitable for market gardeners who don't want to be
guessing
> on that?

I imagine that the problem is more likely to be low sales volume; the
seed producers can not afford to produce a seed crop for every variety
every year. And the seeds being sold may be old. I don't have any
experience with tomato seeds, but have found that 1 year old spinach
seed goes down to 70-80%, which is usable, and 2 year old goes down
to 10-20%, which is not usable. This, with seed that has been sitting
around in the barn, not in the cooler or in a freezer. Right now, I
trying to get last year's seed used up, having thrown out seed from
year before last after a germination test.

BTW, we just had our first freeze, it is about 28-29 deg at 6am.
Picked the last of the peppers yesterday; all the other warm weather
stuff had declined due to cold weather.

BTW again, my favored seed source is Siegers; they give me very good
service. Probably everyone has their contact information. I will
extract and post if anyone asks.

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Message: 6
From: "Hook Family" <guldann AT ix.netcom.com>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Market-farming] tomatoes, TM, and seeds
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

I had a similar concern, I would expect that some large interstate or
international er, ah "weed" grower may have trademarked that phrase :). And
you do realize words like that get folks thinking oh no E. Coli :).
Thanks to all of the info re Totally Tomatoes. Which brings me to another
question. We have our "standard" plantings each year. Big Beef, Cherry
100s, Sungold, pear shaped cherry. Everyyear I like to experiment because
its they only way to discover a new favorite. The pear shaped are such an
experiment. What we are having trouble falling in love with is an early or
earlyish red tomato, We have grown early girl and last year darn I don't
remember name anyway they are only ok and have not been really early
compared with Big Beefs. Any recommendations I am in zone 5.
And yikes that list of seed web pages how am I to get any house work done or
my Christmas cards written :). Beth
>
> Bob (NLN) wrote:
> > I am considering registering "This is really good s**t" for my produce
so
> > don't anybody on this list us this description anymore.
>
> Are you sure you can do this? Isn't this preempted by Cheech and Chong's
> copyright?
>
> Just kidding ... well sort of .....
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rick Williams




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Message: 7
From: "Liz Pike" <liz AT laughingbrookfarm.com>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:28:03 -0500
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

> > How about a list of recommended, or at
> >least commended, seed suppliers for the web site?

> There is a webpage that does this. I'll look to see if I can find the
url.

Here's one site that does this.... http://gardenwatchdog.com/ One caveat
though, this site also hosts similar businesses--something I consider a
conflict of interest, and not all expected from a true "watchdog"
organization....

Liz Pike
Laughingbrook Farm
Westfield NC
http://www.marketfarming.com
http://www.laughingbrookfarm.com
http://www.laughingbrookfarm.com/liz





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Message: 8
From: "Del Williams" <delannw AT dlogue.net>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:54:56 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

Well, Leigh, you are pointing out one of the fundamental problems of
"getting bigger".

I just completed an employee opinion survey for a nationwide company that
started in one locale... started buying up similar small businesses... they
went corporate... and just kept buying. Actually doubled their workforce in
two years to 10,000 employees.

The major complaint of employees is what this corporatization has done to
customer service. Corporate implemented a computerized inventory system
that sales has to use, but the system isn't conducive to sales. It takes
forever to check out a customer... and so customers get PO ed. And then
they go elsewhere.

The prices are a bit higher at this business but their customers were
willing to pay because of customer service.

Furthermore, corporate doesn't understand their own national regions. So
contracts that were valued for ages or at the local level... well corporate
doesn't care because they don't know. And corporate doesn't care about
local loyalty ... especially among suppliers.

Now, that isn't true with every business I deal with... but this one seems
to be a good example of where corporate does dumb things and cuts off a
customer base even though those customers are the reason the local business
ever thrived and was worth buying in the first place.

Del Williams
Clifton, IL






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Message: 9
From: "Wiediger, Alison" <awiediger AT HART.k12.ky.us>
To: "'market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Mid week markets
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:59:14 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

Paul may reply to this, but just in case....

Our mid-week market is on Tuesday. We will normally do about 35% of our
Saturday sales. We have a lot fewer vendors too because the income is often
not worth the trip. It runs from 6:00 to sellout (which for the re-sellers
is all day). Traffic is low - most folks are working. We do get an influx
of the folks getting off-shift from the nearby hospital, and a few who come
before work. We like it for a mid-week pick on those items that have to be
picked frequently like squash, cucumbers, etc., and for blooming items like
lilies that might not still be at peak by Saturday.

Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm

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> From: jjvaughn AT juno.com[SMTP:jjvaughn AT juno.com]
> Reply To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:03 PM
> To: Market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [Market-farming] Mid week markets
>
> Our market association is thinking of adding a mid week market to our
> current Saturday weekly market. We were wondering if those of you who
> already participate in a mid week market could help us with some
> information. What percent of Saturday (or your busiest day's market) can
> you expect to do on a weekday? Also, what times worked best for your mid
> week market? How many vendors participated compared to your Saturday
> market? We are located at a downtown shopping center where the heaviest
> traffic into the facility during the week is from 10-2.
>
> Julie
>
>
> Jim and Julie Vaughn
> Rocky Glade Farm
> Eagleville, TN
> 615-274-3496
> jjvaughn AT juno.com
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:53:32 -0600
From: Willie McKemie <mckemie AT austinfarm.org>
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Tomatoes (Totally Tomatoes)
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 08:28:03AM -0500, Liz Pike wrote:
> > > How about a list of recommended, or at
> > >least commended, seed suppliers for the web site?
>
> > There is a webpage that does this. I'll look to see if I can find the
> url.
>
> Here's one site that does this.... http://gardenwatchdog.com/ One caveat
> though, this site also hosts similar businesses--something I consider a
> conflict of interest, and not all expected from a true "watchdog"
> organization....
>
Yes, perhaps I should have been more explicit. Let's say "recommended
by list members". Though, certainly gardenwatchdog.com COULD be
recommended by a member.

The 1 megabyte message we all recently received is nearly useless.
Keywords: "forest" "trees".

We apparently have no list-server limit on message size?

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:17:58 -0500
From: Robert Farr <rbfarr AT erols.com>
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

You should communicate this to Rob Johnston, owner of Johnny's Selected
Seeds:

RobJohnston AT johnnyseeds.com

He seems to be willing to listen -

Allan Balliett wrote:

> I had a lot of germination problems with Johnny's seeds this year. (I
> pretty much used Johnny's seeds this past season.) Some of the
> failures were so spectacular that I can't help but wonder if my mail
> was being zapped by the post office, although we were promised that
> this wouldn't happen.
>
> Anyone else with similar 'fears'?
>
> -Allan
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Message: 12
From: "Bill Shoemaker" <wshoemak AT inil.com>
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:23:21 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

I agree with Robert. I use a lot of seeds from Johnny's in my work at the
Research Center, as well as seeds from many other sources. I rarely have
problems with their seeds. I believe they would respond favorably if you
contacted them about your experience.

Bill Shoemaker
Sr Research Specialist, Food Crops
Univ of Illinois - St Charles Hort Research Center


>You should communicate this to Rob Johnston, owner of Johnny's Selected
>Seeds:
>
>RobJohnston AT johnnyseeds.com
>
>He seems to be willing to listen -
>
>Allan Balliett wrote:
>
>> I had a lot of germination problems with Johnny's seeds this year. (I
>> pretty much used Johnny's seeds this past season.) Some of the
>> failures were so spectacular that I can't help but wonder if my mail
>> was being zapped by the post office, although we were promised that
>> this wouldn't happen.
>>
>> Anyone else with similar 'fears'?
>>
>> -Allan



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:29:12 -0800
To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
From: Mike Steinberg <mstein AT wclynx.com>
Subject: Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

We also had problems, especially with lettuce, red chard, and Lacinato kale.



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Message: 14
From: "Wiediger, Alison" <awiediger AT HART.k12.ky.us>
To: "'market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:33:47 -0600
Reply-To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org

We had germination issues also, but it was not connected with any particular
seed - it was connected to the certified organic seedling mix we purchased
from SunGro. When we switched back to a conventional bark based mix,
germination was great. We lost a lot of early spring transplants to that
"organic" mix.

Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm

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> From: Mike Steinberg[SMTP:mstein AT wclynx.com]
> Reply To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:29 AM
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: POOR GERMINATION was Re: [Market-farming] Tomato catalog
>
> We also had problems, especially with lettuce, red chard, and Lacinato
> kale.
>
>
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