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  • From: "John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>
  • To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing" <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Organic Agriculture and Climate Change
  • Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 22:37:15 +0100


Most of this is coming from the European parliament in recent years Paul but I have the impression that these regulations are also rife at least in the US and Australia. So far we can refuse to have our children vaccinated here although if an unvaccinated child should develop problems from a traditional disease the government probably will come down on the parents like a ton of bricks. Home schooling children is extremely difficult here for the government has the idea that children are the property of the nation and have little to do with the parents.
Then again it would be highly unlikely that a child would be removed from the parents by a squad team or that a gardener would have his allotment destroyed by military force as I see happening in the States almost daily.

I think all this is a symptom of globalisation and the super rich sucking regular people dry while trying to make them life long customers of the disease industry. As the banker said to the doctor : "I'll keep them poor and you keep them sick". What other reason could there be for our "Codex alimentarius" that makes it virtually impossible to purchase vitamins or food supplements while at the same time trying to exterminate medicinal plants.

I could say a lot more about all this but that might not be smart since everything we write is read by the powers that be. I am not prepared to take all the sh't they throw at us and if need be I'll defend what I think is right with my life. In the last few years I have began to think it might really come to that.

John



I had no idea, John. Who made these laws - British parliament? Absentee
landlords? Same crowd that engineered the famous famine?

paul

On 5/29/2014 5:40 PM, John D'hondt wrote:

Insanity is right. And most definitely they are trying to destroy everything people depend on because this makes you dependent on them and forces you to become a good consumer.

For instance : Spreading compost is illegal within 20 meters of any farm track, any hedge or the smallest water course (of which we have many miles on the land) but it is allowed to spread chemical fertilizer in all these places. We make our own compost but chemical fertilizer we would have to buy. I think that explains it all. But the same goes for almost anything. It is now illegal to fell a tree with a chainsaw. You now have to go follow a week long course costing $ 4 T. Then you get a license to go felling any tree you want.
You can no longer repair storm damage to your own house. First you have to follow a course to get a license costing a few thousand and then you need a plan made up by an architect. And after the repairs the architect needs to sign that the repairs were according to all regulations. And that costs more thousands.
It is now illegal to have any plants on the land, even natives, that might just possibly be used for medicinal purposes.

It is obvious that the great idea is to make people completely impotent to help themselves in any way.
John

Well I don't understand what's going on there. Is the govt trying to
destroy everything people depend on? Trees & shrubs? A crime? Insane.

On 5/29/2014 4:43 PM, John D'hondt wrote:
I know Paul but being really organic is a war in the EU. Have been breaking regulations for a long time and we have severely suffered for it. We get fined (almost $ 10 T last year alone) for having trees and shrubs on the land as just one example out of hundreds. Most neighbours rectified that by setting fire to all their shrubs and trees and they don't get fined. Doing what is right makes it very difficult to survive financially.
Imo we (all of us) are in an ever faster race to the bottom and I have not been able to do much to stop that. I am absolutely certain that I have sequestered thousands of tons of carbon (while breaking lots of regulations) in my soil over the years but all around me I have seen millions of tons go up in smoke and more millions of tons being washed away by rain water.
John


Looking at the actual press release
http://rodaleinstitute.org/reversing-climate-change-achievable-by-farming-organically/

Forget regulations; the govt program is DOA far as I'm concerned. The
actual organic practices are the key. Organic properly understood is the
right way and economically necessary and doable in and of itself. I do
it because it works, and go beyond it with intensive methods based on
agroecology. The methods are what sequesters carbon - not phony baloney
regulations.

paul

On 5/29/2014 3:26 PM, John D'hondt wrote:

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True Paul but as an organic farmer I saw first hand all the regulations that make this impossible in practice.
John


this is big.

Organic Farming ‘Could Sequester All Carbon Emissions’
http://www.environmentalleader.com/2014/05/27/organic-farming-could-sequester-all-carbon-emissions/

Regenerative Organic Agriculture and Climate Change
http://rodaleinstitute.org/regenerative-organic-agriculture-and-climate-change/




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