Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[Aliza Vanderlip <songbird97520@yahoo.com>]

Hi Paul - I agree about climate change - it just happens that in my area climate change means more moderate temps and more rain...  better skiing and less irrigation:o)

 

Blessings,

Aliza
www.SomeKindaWonderfulFarm.com
Ashland, Oregon

“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.” Howard Thurman

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From: "tradingpost@lobo.net" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Prepping

Useful & constructive info there. I will comment on the no "huge tragic
thing
to prep for" tho. Climate change is one thing that's not a "maybe" or
far off possibility. It's here now & certain to get much worse in our
time, & now no major scientific organization on earth disputes the fact.
Trouble is we really can't predict exact effects in specific regions for
the most part (coastal areas are toast).

These 2 articles are the more optimistic of many & not much of a guide

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/climate-change-underway-in-us-report-says/2013/01/11/b5ec843e-5c23-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

there are too many more sources, disagreeing only about how much & when

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/ssi/climate-change-statement-from.pdf

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/01/26/203610/noaa-climate-change-irreversible-1000-years-drought-dust-bowls/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/14/1009121/science-of-global-warming-impacts-guide/


I don't like it any more than anyone else. We're growers in semi-arid
Southwest already, retired & hardly able to relocate as it is.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 1/13/2013 at 8:11 AM Aliza Vanderlip wrote:

>I dont think that buying land just in case is a wise choice.  By the
>time the "just in case" rolls around, you would need to already have
> your
>sustainable systems in place KWIM?  I am not a prepper but I do have
> a
>small dairy farm and my goal is sustainability.  This years goal is
> to
>acquire an old non pto seed drill and learn how to grow barley for
> fodder
>and straw.  I already use barley fodder in my feeding system but I am
>purchasing the barley.  Next year it will be to get a small baler -
>alternatively we can pay/trade our neighbor to bale for us.  We are
>planning water storage - currently I can pump out of the creek but I
> want
>rainwater instead because I have lots of roof runoff at the barn
> (building
>is 120' long).  We will be putting in a Rocket Mass Heater this
> summer in
>the house - these are really cool by the way - and solar water heating
> for
>floor heat and as a preheater as well.....  All these things take
> time. 
>And you have to live on
> a place for a while before you know what it is asking for and what
> your
>real needs are.  Not the needs that come with you from the city, but
> your
>real yearnings that only come from being on the land and seeing where
> your
>heat leads you....  Will also put in a greenhouse this late summer. 
>What do you love?  do you love to garden?  Do you love to spin? 
> Having
>a useful skill that is barterable but that you really dont enjoy will
> not
>be the difference that makes the difference.  First you have to know
> what
>you are drawn to.  For that you have to experience many many
>things.....  I actually dont think that there will be a huge tragic
> thing
>to prep for other then what is huge and tragic where you live - in my
> area
>that would be wildfire, drought and flooding.  They are expecting an
>earthquake some decade.  It may be damaging. 

Books that I like - I
>have heard that Harveys new poultry book is great though I have not
>purchased it yet. - His website is very very helpful and I would for
> sure
>go there first - www.themodernhomestead.us - Square Foot Gardening if
> you
>are just learning about growing food, or lasagna gardening are great
>choices to start with.  Strawbale house or cob house depending on
> your
>climate.  Google is your friend.  If you are on Facebook there is a
>wonderful list - grow food not lawns that has lots and lots of
> pictures of
>what people are doing with their gardens/houses - it is inspiring. 
> So if
>you are inspired to go to the country then go to the country and be
>inspired.  You can have a piece of paradise where ever you are (city,
>country, and at sea) as long as you feel inspired - get to know
> yourself
>first and what you love and draws you to it - and go there...... 
>


 
Blessings,


Aliza
www.SomeKindaWonderfulFarm.com
Ashland,
>Oregon




“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have
> come
>alive.† Howard Thurman


________________________________
  From: Lori
><bakequery@aol.com>
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Saturday,
>January 12, 2013 4:57 AM
Subject: [Livingontheland] Prepping


My husband
>and I are thinking about getting some land to have if things fall
> apart. 
>I was wondering if everyone in the group would collectively put
> together
>a list of essential things/tools/knowledge/etc. one would need during
>tough economic times.  We are also wondering what we could learn to
> do
>that would either be a skill or produce a product that we could barter
>for. 

I know there are books about these things but I'd love to hear
>what all of you are thinking.

How much land would we need?  What states
>at this moment, have the most living (freedom) and good growing
>climates?
 
We suspect that our daughter, her husband, and their three
>children, 8, 5, and 3, would live with us and possibly our son.

Lori
>
Phoenixville,
>PA
 
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