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  • From: tradingpost@lobo.net
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  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Prepping
  • Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:16:36 -0700


Useful & constructive info there. I will comment on the no "huge tragic thing
to prep for" tho. Climate change is one thing that's not a "maybe" or far off possibility. It's here now & certain to get much worse in our time, & now no major scientific organization on earth disputes the fact. Trouble is we really can't predict exact effects in specific regions for the most part (coastal areas are toast).

These 2 articles are the more optimistic of many & not much of a guide

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/climate-change-underway-in-us-report-says/2013/01/11/b5ec843e-5c23-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

there are too many more sources, disagreeing only about how much & when

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/ssi/climate-change-statement-from.pdf

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/01/26/203610/noaa-climate-change-irreversible-1000-years-drought-dust-bowls/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/14/1009121/science-of-global-warming-impacts-guide/


I don't like it any more than anyone else. We're growers in semi-arid Southwest already, retired & hardly able to relocate as it is.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 1/13/2013 at 8:11 AM Aliza Vanderlip wrote:

I dont think that buying land just in case is a wise choice.  By the
time the "just in case" rolls around, you would need to already have your
sustainable systems in place KWIM?  I am not a prepper but I do have a
small dairy farm and my goal is sustainability.  This years goal is to
acquire an old non pto seed drill and learn how to grow barley for fodder
and straw.  I already use barley fodder in my feeding system but I am
purchasing the barley.  Next year it will be to get a small baler -
alternatively we can pay/trade our neighbor to bale for us.  We are
planning water storage - currently I can pump out of the creek but I want
rainwater instead because I have lots of roof runoff at the barn (building
is 120' long).  We will be putting in a Rocket Mass Heater this summer in
the house - these are really cool by the way - and solar water heating for
floor heat and as a preheater as well.....  All these things take time. 
And you have to live on
a place for a while before you know what it is asking for and what your
real needs are.  Not the needs that come with you from the city, but your
real yearnings that only come from being on the land and seeing where your
heat leads you....  Will also put in a greenhouse this late summer. 
What do you love?  do you love to garden?  Do you love to spin?  Having
a useful skill that is barterable but that you really dont enjoy will not
be the difference that makes the difference.  First you have to know what
you are drawn to.  For that you have to experience many many
things.....  I actually dont think that there will be a huge tragic thing
to prep for other then what is huge and tragic where you live - in my area
that would be wildfire, drought and flooding.  They are expecting an
earthquake some decade.  It may be damaging. 

Books that I like - I
have heard that Harveys new poultry book is great though I have not
purchased it yet. - His website is very very helpful and I would for sure
go there first - www.themodernhomestead.us - Square Foot Gardening if you
are just learning about growing food, or lasagna gardening are great
choices to start with.  Strawbale house or cob house depending on your
climate.  Google is your friend.  If you are on Facebook there is a
wonderful list - grow food not lawns that has lots and lots of pictures of
what people are doing with their gardens/houses - it is inspiring.  So if
you are inspired to go to the country then go to the country and be
inspired.  You can have a piece of paradise where ever you are (city,
country, and at sea) as long as you feel inspired - get to know yourself
first and what you love and draws you to it - and go there...... 



 
Blessings,


Aliza
www.SomeKindaWonderfulFarm.com
Ashland,
Oregon




“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come
alive.” Howard Thurman


________________________________
From: Lori
<bakequery@aol.com>
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Saturday,
January 12, 2013 4:57 AM
Subject: [Livingontheland] Prepping


My husband
and I are thinking about getting some land to have if things fall apart. 
I was wondering if everyone in the group would collectively put together
a list of essential things/tools/knowledge/etc. one would need during
tough economic times.  We are also wondering what we could learn to do
that would either be a skill or produce a product that we could barter
for. 

I know there are books about these things but I'd love to hear
what all of you are thinking.

How much land would we need?  What states
at this moment, have the most living (freedom) and good growing
climates?
 
We suspect that our daughter, her husband, and their three
children, 8, 5, and 3, would live with us and possibly our son.

Lori

Phoenixville,
PA
 
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