Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[Pete Vukovich <pvukovic1@yahoo.com>]

Certainly disinformation is the norm, but I think the reason disinformation sells so well is that it is what the majority wants to hear.

Some people make the appropriate assessments and change themselves as best they can (usually doing more for themselves and dropping out as much as possible from the mainstream), like many people on this list. 

I don't think substantial change represents the average persons aspirations or self image. I find little evidence that much effort is being put into evaluating needs vs wants on a personal basis - again in the main. It seems unfathomable to me that no matter how much disinformation there is to the contrary that 'growth' would still be a laudable goal in a world composed of a relatively constant and finite number of atoms, molecules and so forth. Testing the limits of growth would seem a form of insanity, like pushing an accelerator petal and closing your eyes just to see if you go straighter as you go faster.

I see little evidence anywhere in the mainstream that the concept of growth in a finite world is being challenged, and I'm not talking just about the media , government and so forth. What seems to be particularly absent (in my opinion as though it mattered) is an emergence of sustainable retreat. Maybe its just the people who are around me, the place I live , or my own blinders, but I just don't see it.  The difference is these days I'm ok with with what I see (even if I'm wrong and delusional about it), since I figure at some point nature will step in and enforce the appropriate limits when it sees fit. It may not be pretty or 'humane' in its methodology but it will get the job done.


--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Pego Rice <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Pego Rice <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Lester Brown on rising temperatures
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 1:11 PM

To my best info, it has not been since the Holocene period that both the 4+ temps and the complete loss of polar and glacial ice occurred, flooding the oceans with cold water. 

 

I have to disagree about "the species" being so very unwilling to change.  Any group of regular people that has access to the accurate info and not been buried under disinformation have shown a willingness to change when change is at least within grasp. 

 

Our problem isn't in that, but that we have a very active group of corporate propagandists burying our culture in disinformation.   These people aggrandise unrestrained free-market capitalism with an aggressive Cinderella mythology when, in fact, they gut the playing field of our shared commons as rapidly as possible, then accrue as many special laws and special exceptions to laws as money can buy, resulting an a semi-feudal Crony capitalism system.  Almost none of those "Cinderellas" got started without a special "In" to this ugly system.  The news and, frankly all other major media groups are all owned by corporations and corporations are owned and operated by people too rich to feel any connection to the planet or the poor.  This leaves them particularly vulnerable to believing their own hype that, whatever the consequences to this current excess, they have enough money to escape the pain of it.

 

Instead, the people who CAN recognize a problem and change appropriately are being blinded by disinformation right when their actions are most critical.  Outside the US. and a couple other wealthy nations where so many of us are buried in this swill.   All the most obtuse and disastrous decisions have been made by the wealthy.  They think that their money will drive industry and technology enough to just get around it and, heh, make them more money.  It does not occur to these kings and demigods that this may not actually work as a plan, that money may suddenly lose value.  If that doesn't make artificially inflated wealth a problem I don't know what does.

 

 

Yours, Pego

 

 

<<Gore and Brown mean little to me but I see satelite pictures about melting ice everywhere on the planet. And that was not happening in Greek times.>>John>>

*<<I think its anything with artificial wealth, nor do I think its just congress its government in general. Government (as are many people) is attracted to shiny things, substance is not always shiny. Maybe government and most people are crows.

I also think there's something about the species itself that as a whole cannot or will not limit itself appropriately, and watching the voles in one of our local parks the last few months has made me think were closely related.>> Pete>>*

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