Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[A Deville <dreadkali@yahoo.com>]

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:

From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:51 PM

Beautiful video. I'd agree it's not suited to industrial scale farming. But then we shouldn't even have industrial scale farming.

The practices they call permaculture that actually work have been around for ages. Mollison, who invented the term, had a big brouhaha with the Americans who copyrighted the word and tried to charge big bucks to the unwary just to hear the philosophy behind it. Another form of Enclosure - put a fence around something and charge people for what used to belong to all (as in the English Enclosure movement, the AMA, and so on). I won't spend $800 on a weekend to hear stuff I've read all about for years.

In practice it's almost indistinguishable from Biointensive which I practice, with modifications (or Biodynamic, or SPIN, or whatever). I just use what seems to be the most sensible, sustainable methods I can manage. And none of it is original with me of course.  My problem with formal permaculture as they teach it is, it's more a philosophy than a set of practices to adapt for the urgent needs of people everywhere. And I don't have years left to develop a forest garden where no forest should be in the first place.

You asked!

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 1/14/2010 at 8:59 AM Arzeena Hamir wrote:

>I'd never really given much thought to Permaculture for farming - it 
>always seemed more suited to gardening.
>
>Here's an excellent video from the UK that outlines the issues around 
>Peak Oil and gives examples of farms in the UK that are using 
>permaculture techniques to produce food without the reliance on fossil 
>fuels.
>
>Any comments would be much appreciated.
>
>http://www.viddler.com/explore/PermaScience/videos/4/
>
>Arzeena

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Greetings Paul,
   I think that you should understand that a forest is not just a Forest, and permaculture teaches that one should not place anything in an inapproriate place, including forests, be they fruit or fuel, ect, and that the proper LINKS between elements be made.
I do agree that P.C is indeed a Philosophy, and as well a way of life(living), and those very thing that you practice yourself are part and parcel under this great umbrella of permaculture. Agreeing also that  too many are charging far to much to teach others permaculture..........................Namaste'......."Dee