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  • From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
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  • Subject: [Livingontheland] mutual aid/ was That cruel joke called water law
  • Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:05:29 -0600


For the record I don't try to set anyone on their ear, but add what I've
picked up in our own wanderings and encounters. Good point about tribal
conflicts, but what we call Indian wars back then were not wars of
extermination but assimilation or migration. There was little actual killing,
nothing like what we call war today, and women and children weren't wiped out
like war in our time.

I say Indians because that's what they call themselves. We know Navajo and
Apache families. We white folks say Native Americans to be politically
correct. And I have a pet peeve about us all being savages at heart, esp
about "survival of the fittest". Anthropologists tell us now that species
survive that best adapt to changing environments and food sources, not those
best at killing each other off. That said, societies that learn mutual aid
(Kropotkin's book), cooperation, survive better than those who just kill off
competition. Which does not bode well for our society making everything in
life a competition with "winners" and "losers", from Kindergarten to career.

Which comes down to the point of a list like this. Barb and I can't stress
enough that our welfare depends more and more on local networking and
cooperation. I can't fix cars but I can grow great stuff. It's slow going but
we try to cultivate and encourage neighbors' growing and storing food,
learning home skills, and swapping for what we don't have. Friends of ours
keep an eye on Craigs List and we help them out.

Recent events are speeding all this up. Barb is now talking about setting up
local cooperation circles for various goods and skills. Too few know how to
cook simple meals or cut heat loss in the winter.


tradingpost@lobo.net

Many types of jobs will cease to exist: public relations executive,
marketing directors, et cetera. I think work will be very hands-on,
and a lot of it will revolve around food production.
-- James Howard Kunstler, 2003
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On 8/16/2008 at 11:52 AM bruce smith wrote:

>CHEERING!!!
>What a great post.. About time someone set whiners on their ear..
>But with this thought in mind, if you trace Native American culture you
>will
>find that even they practiced the strong take from the weaker nations. Many
>tribes took land from lesser tribes and the lesser tribes had to move on or
>be exterminated.
>The article before spoke of "indians" do they mean people from india (c:
>I'm thinking we are all Savages deep within our heart. When push comes to
>shove, we will do whatever we can to survive.. If Golf Course bring money
>to
>the tribe we will endorse golf courses. Question? Why do all the whack
>jobs
>jump on every new PC idea that comes along..?? Have you also ever noticed
>that it is the people that "have it all" bitching the loudest? I still see
>hummers and huge SUV's driving the highways and by-ways around here..
>If we want a true living land I'm for banning pleasure driving of huge
>cars.. Everyone who doesn't need a HUGE gas guzzler for work should be
>fined
>to death.. LOL
>
>As to water!! I see so many folks watering their "LAWNS" what is up with
>this lawn fixation?
>
>On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Let's keep in mind that water pumping is causing sinkholes and dry wells
>in
>> locations all over the country, and that city development (such as San
>Diego
>> as you mention) long ago exceeded local water supplies - without being
>able
>> to blame it on the "Indian savages". In such cases I'd name the
>developers
>> as the true savages. In some cases everybody tries to sue everybody else,
>> nothing unique about casinos. BTW no one ever criticizes the country
>clubs
>> that have a thousand times more golf courses than the Indians.
>>
>> I'd also point out that reservations don't just claim sovereignty, they
>> have every legal, moral, and historical right to absolute, unlimited use
>of
>> their own land - what little is left after cheating them out of 99% of
>it. A
>> great deal of our state, NM, is sovereign tribal lands, but as usual it's
>> the most useless areas for farming or living. 80% of the Dine' population
>> must live without electricity, which amounts to hundreds of thousands of
>> people. Few of us could survive in such extreme deprivation. And we just
>> might get the chance to try. Karma's a bitch.
>>
>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>> Old World Gardens, best tasting heirloom European varieties grown
>naturally
>>
>>






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