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  • From: <mdnagel@verizon.net>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Reason for high gas prices
  • Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:00:54 -0500 (CDT)

NOTE: The e-mail below was sent my ME, in response to Ken, not BY Ken!
Verizon web mail for some strange reason every once in a while does this! :-(


-Mark Nagel
Everett, WA


>From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
>Date: 2008/07/01 Tue PM 12:53:05 CDT
>To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Reason for high gas prices

>I like Jim Hightower, but in this case he's doing a big disservice in
>suggesting that high oil prices are all about manipulation by the big
>players. Sure, the big players are going to milk things as best they can
>(they also got hammered on low prices in the 80s; don't recall any sympathy
>there), but there IS a fundamental that no one can maniuplate- Peak Oil.
>
>The "bad guys are scamming us" view distracts us away from the fact that oil
>production/extraction is in decline and will forevermore be that way. It's
>a limited resource.
>
>The biggest reason for the big ramp up in prices (it would happen eventually
>anyway) is the decline of the US dollar. And that is due to our massive
>debt (welfare/warfare state).
>
>Oil was never really cheap, we just put off the tab into the future and it's
>now catching up to us. The illusion of cheap distracted us away from
>maintaining control over our local food production. It helped push a
>totally unsustainable system. Doesn't matter whether it was/is good guys or
>bad guys doing this, it's still a bad system. Its externalized costs are
>now starting to pop out at the seams.
>
>
>-Mark Nagel
>Everett, WA
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