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  • From: "Kathleen" <fr8rain@mindspring.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Livingontheland Digest, Vol 143, Issue 7
  • Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:56:13 -0400

I just read an article that said to NOT turn your compost. You want it to build up heat so as to kill all the pathogens. He's been composting humanure, all kitchen waste (including meats and fats) for over 25 years and has had no problems or diseases.
After it sits for a year (he's filling another bin) he uses it in his garden as it is all compost at this point. Worms will gravitate towards it also which also aids in the breakdown. However, sometimes it can get too hot for the worms.


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Today's Topics:

1. Zakarison Partnership Farm, Pullman, WA (Tradingpost)
2. Re: Populations (Daniel Conine)
3. Back to the land/ Populations (Tradingpost)
4. Re: Populations (Ken Hargesheimer)
5. My garden- A springboard of food, pleasure, and history
(Tradingpost)
6. Re: Populations (E. E. Mitchamore Jr)
7. Re: USDA axes national survey charting pesticide use (Don Bowen)
8. Re: Populations (Norma Sutton)
9. Re: Populations (Tradingpost)
10. Re: Populations (Dean)
11. Re: Smells like dog manure! (yarrow@sfo.com)
12. Re: Populations (Don Bowen)
13. Re: Populations (BirdWalk)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:29:05 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] Zakarison Partnership Farm, Pullman, WA
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Zakarison Farm Walk in Pullman, June 2

Tilth Producers of Washington and the WSU Small Farms Team Wish to Invite
You to an Upcoming Farm Walk:

Monday June 2 - Zakarison Partnership Farm, Pullman, WA

For the fifth year, Tilth Producers of Washington and Washington State
University 's Small Farms Team will offer a series of educational Farm Walks
for growers. Farm Walks bring growers and agricultural specialists together
to learn on working farms across Washington .

Together you will:

* Observe problems and solutions firsthand.

* Share your knowledge.

* Discover new tools and techniques for organic and sustainable farm
management!

Each Farm Walk includes a tour led by the host farmer, a booklet of
handouts, and on-site specialists to serve as resources.


Monday June 2 - Zakarison Partnership, Pullman

Diversified Wheat, Grain, and Livestock

This innovative family-run crop and livestock farm produces wheat, feed
grains, locker lambs and pastured poultry. With ten acres in transition to
organic, Eric Zakarison is experimenting with 'solar tractors,' using draft
mule, horse and oxen teams (fueled on-farm), with manure to complete the
power/nutrient cycle by enhancing soil fertility. Cover crops are
incorporated in rotation, and sheep and chickens help with their harvest and
incorporation. The Zakarisons future plans include producing organic small
grains to market locally and minimizing tillage and petroleum consumption.
WSU researchers will present their plans for on-site research on minimizing
soil disturbance. (Transitioning to Organic)



Farm Walk Logistics

* All Farm Walks are from Noon - 3:30pm; lunch from 12- 12:30 unless
otherwise noted.

* Beverages are provided - please bring a brown bag lunch

* Driving directions and more information available at
www.tilthproducers.org <http://www.tilthproducers.org/>

* Cost is $10 for Tilth Producers members; $15 for non-members.

* Register on-site or pre-register by mailing a check with your farm
walk choice(s) to Tilth Producers, PO Box 85056, Seattle, WA 98145.

Tilth Producers Membership ($45 regular or $30 low-income) is encouraged.
Member benefits include a subscription to Tilth Producers Quarterly, a
state-wide Directory of organic growers and resources, discounts for farm
walks and the annual conference, free listing on Tilth Intern Placement
Service and optional email notices on important agricultural issues. For
more information: (360) 853-8198 or julesriske@yahoo.com

Farm Walks are jointly sponsored by Tilth Producers of Washington and WSU
Small Farms Team.

WSU programs are available to all without discrimination. Persons with a
disability requiring special accommodation while participating in events may
call WSU's Small Farms Program at (253) 445-4565. If accommodation is not
requested in advance, we cannot guarantee the availability of accommodation
on site.




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:45:05 -0500
From: Daniel Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
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Paul said:

Dr. Bartlett points out that "the world's most serious population problem is right here in the U.S. The reason for this is that the average American has something like 30 to 50 times the impact on world resources as does a person in an underdeveloped country."
http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/symposium/bartlett/bartlett.html

Our list stresses sustainable food production and related concerns, which deals with that bigger issue of overconsumption. Sustainable food builds soil, conserves freshwater resources, avoids fossil fuels almost entirely in crop production and distribution and in fertilizers and pesticides. On that, we're part of the answer, not part of the problem.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net
listowner


One of the issues that I have never seen raised is that the prosperity of the Western countries directly increases the populations of the Third World. We do this buy purchasing things we don't need or too much of any one thing at too high of prices or too low of prices. "Always Low Prices" pretty much guarantees that suppliers will go looking for un-industrialized countries, build factories and pump in money to economies that formerly were ag-based and self-limiting. Expensive electronics and fancy jewelry require resources that usually come from places that are susceptible to arms dealers and tyrants. Once they have money, their populations explode in shanty towns and cities, living on imported industrialized foods. We take a 40,000 dollar paycheck and make cars, boats, lawns, and restaraunts. They take a portion of that money and grow children with it. The more they increase their populations, the better the corporations like it because it means they will take lower wages a
nd do anything to put food in their bellies.
We are starting to see the effect of our declining prosperity, but it is only the tip of the iceberg so far. Instability is pretty much the only thing we will be able to count on when it comes to foreign policy. Our corporadoes set it up that way, and they are losing control.


Dan C.
Belgium,WI






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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:43:34 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] Back to the land/ Populations
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You're connecting the dots, Dan. You're not supposed to do that you know. Agrarian economies worldwide have indeed been ripped up by so called free trade. Free for northern wealth to exploit third world land, that is. Financial elites push in, set up plantations for export, and shove the locals off the land and into city slums. Then of course in poverty they have more children. It's been found that disruption of traditional village life results in higher birth rates. I've seen this correlation before but very rarely. Except the financiers don't pump money into those economies but invest in their own holdings to extract food, minerals, etc. and make a killing. I won't even mention the trail of the WB and IMF, trying to keep on topic here. Books by David Korten and others document these connections. In a nutshell, many manmade policies have worsened population problems by separating billions of people from their traditional land, land that fed them for millenia. To solve a prob
lem you reverse the process that made it. Hmm?

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 5/23/2008 at 12:45 PM Daniel Conine wrote:

Paul said:

Dr. Bartlett points out that "the world's most serious population problem
is right here in the U.S. The reason for this is that the average
American has something like 30 to 50 times the impact on world resources
as does a person in an underdeveloped country."
http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/symposium/bartlett/bartlett.html

Our list stresses sustainable food production and related concerns, which
deals with that bigger issue of overconsumption. Sustainable food builds
soil, conserves freshwater resources, avoids fossil fuels almost entirely
in crop production and distribution and in fertilizers and pesticides. On
that, we're part of the answer, not part of the problem.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net
listowner


One of the issues that I have never seen raised is that the prosperity of
the Western countries directly increases the populations of the Third
World. We do this buy purchasing things we don't need or too much of any
one thing at too high of prices or too low of prices. "Always Low Prices"
pretty much guarantees that suppliers will go looking for
un-industrialized countries, build factories and pump in money to
economies that formerly were ag-based and self-limiting. Expensive
electronics and fancy jewelry require resources that usually come from
places that are susceptible to arms dealers and tyrants. Once they have
money, their populations explode in shanty towns and cities, living on
imported industrialized foods. We take a 40,000 dollar paycheck and make
cars, boats, lawns, and restaraunts. They take a portion of that money and
grow children with it. The more they increase their populations, the
better the corporations like it because it means they will take lower
wages a
nd do anything to put food in their bellies.
We are starting to see the effect of our declining prosperity, but it is
only the tip of the iceberg so far. Instability is pretty much the only
thing we will be able to count on when it comes to foreign policy. Our
corporadoes set it up that way, and they are losing control.


Dan C.
Belgium,WI





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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
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The reason it has never been raised because I believe it is not true. As income increases, population goes down over time.

The population of shanty towns and cities explode because the subsistence farmers cannot compete with below cost of production prices that corn, etc sells for. They move to the city. They live on corn, beans, rice, cassava/yucca, etc. With prices increasing, probably cannot afford that now.

Farmers in Honduras who adopted organic, no-till farming have not moved to the city because they can make a decent living on their farms. I have visited them and seen it for myself. It is the only way to stop migration to the cities.

Ken Hargesheimer

Daniel Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com> wrote:
One of the issues that I have never seen raised is that the prosperity of the Western countries directly increases the populations of the Third World.

Once they have money, their populations explode in shanty towns and cities, living on imported industrialized foods.


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:04:56 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] My garden- A springboard of food, pleasure,
and history
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My garden- A springboard of food, pleasure, and history
By Habeeb Salloum
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/salloum80.html

?You mean that from this postage-size garden you grow enough vegetables and herbs to last you all year?? my friend asked in disbelief as he watched me plant my tomato plants in early May. ?Not all, but many of the vegetables that we eat year-round, I grow in this garden. However, my garden is also for me a work of pleasure and a reminder of my family?s history.? I grinned as I went about my task.

I was not surprised that my friend was amazed that on this small 25 by 12 feet plot of land, I could grow a good part of our family?s vegetable larder. I even feel astonished myself when, at the time I am planting my tomatoes in spring, our family is still eating frozen tomatoes from the previous year?s harvest. Yet, there is no magic in my garden?s abilities. My success in growing a fine garden year after year goes back to my family?s history.

My parents emigrated from Syria in the 1920s and by the early 1930s were farming on the arid western Canadian prairies. For over a half dozen years, almost nothing grew, but we survived well, mostly from the produce of our yearly garden. Unlike some of our neighbors who barely could subsist and moved away one after the other, our hand-watered garden made sure that we were never hungry.

In Syria, my parents were peasants and had inherited from their ancestors the art of survival in an arid land. When our neighbors? fields were bare, we grew chickpeas and lentils which needed little moisture. Hence, they were perfect for the dry prairie climate.

Some of the chickpeas, we ate as a delicacy?green or roasted green. However, almost all the chickpea and lentil crops, we reaped ripe and they formed the main basis for our meals. For herbs and tasty greens, in spring my mother would scour the countryside around our garden. Those she did not use fresh, she dried for the winter months.

Our vegetable garden, which we hand-watered from a well, produced enough vegetables and herbs to last us a whole year. All summer we ate the produce fresh and for future use, we canned, dried, or pickled a portion. Others we preserved in our earth cellar?beets, carrots, potatoes, and turnips, covered with soil. With the few bushels of wheat, which even in the driest years we harvested and made into burghal (wheat that is cooked, then dried and ground) and a few chickens, our family ate well the whole year. We barely had any clothes and virtually no luxuries, but our garden produced gourmet meals.

During these Depression years, the taste for green chickpeas and the great dishes my mother prepared from our garden produce never left me. Today, even though I live in the middle of Toronto, the largest city in Canada, year after year I still plant a micro replica of our Depression years? gardens, growing some of the same produce I relished in my youth.

Every year in early spring, I prepare the soil, except a portion reserved for a half dozen perennial leek and onion plants and two tiny patches of mint and sweet oregano, by adding cattle or sheep manure. Around the first of May, I plant from seed, beets, kohlrabi, turnips, a few cabbage plants, a small patch of chickpeas and a few climbing bean plants at the bottom of an edging tree. A week or so later, I plant one or two eggplant, a few hot pepper and a dozen tomato plants?six ripening early and six later in the year.

In between the tomatoes, I plant a few radish seeds and a number of herbs like basil, caraway, dill, parsley, thyme, and every year without fail, coriander?my favorite herb. A week later I complete the planting with usually three cucumber and three zucchini plants, hugging the edge of the garden. In order to give them room as they grow, I train them to flow away from the garden.

If the weather is fine, the garden quickly begins to flourish, but if there is a cold spell and the temperature dips below zero, I replant the frozen plants and this tends to retard the progress of my garden. In the main after the first planting, the garden takes off.

Beginning in May, we are making leek pies and in early June herb salads from fresh coriander, onions, mint, radish, and sweet oregano. Thereafter, as the herbs grow, I harvest them and what we do not eat, I dry or freeze for winter use. In the ensuing days, the dishes we cook from our garden produce are never ending. Soon the quick-growing herbs and the cooked green tops of the beets, kohlrabi, radishes, and turnips are gracing our table. Not long after we add fresh tender cucumber, cooked green beans, and zucchini dishes.

All summer long I pick tender cucumbers, green beans, and the zucchini when they are about six inches long?mostly to be stuffed. However, the garden produces more zucchini than we can use. The extra ones we hollow, then freeze for future use. The scraped-out inner hearts are not wasted, we utilize them in omelets, soups, and stews.

What I always look forward to are the ripe tomatoes about mid-July. They not only beautify the garden but are delicious. Tomato salads in endless varieties, especially with herbs like fresh basil, coriander, and caraway, are now on the daily menu. Always there are more ripe tomatoes than we can use. The extra ones we wash, then place in plastic bags and freeze.

At the same time when the tomatoes begin to ripen, every day I relish a few of the green chickpeas and a few pieces of raw kohlrabi. Usually, by the time autumn rolls around, the chickpeas are finished, but if there are any remaining chickpea pods, I roast them in the oven?for me a heavenly treat.

In August, we pickle the remaining small cucumbers with dill from our garden into dill pickles; and the large ones become bread and butter pickles. This time also, I pick the remaining hot peppers and dry them?our yearly supply. From mid-August to frost time, beet and turnip dishes are frequent. By the time the cold grips the land, I pick the eggplants and make them into one or two jars of garlic-eggplant pickles for the winter months. I then harvest the cabbage and in the ensuing days our family enjoys a number of cabbage roll meals. Shortly thereafter, I pick the remaining beets, kohlrabi, and turnips to complete our yearly supply of pickles.

Pickles made from these vegetables are only prepared in the Middle East, but in my view they outdo pickled cucumbers. The beets, kohlrabi, and turnips are peeled and sliced, then the kohlrabi and turnips are placed in jars. Along with the pickling solution, a slice of beets is placed in each jar. In a few weeks bright red pickled vegetables will always beautify the surrounding dishes being served.

In autumn, when I hear the first rumor of frost, I pick the remaining green tomatoes and wrap them with paper, then place them in a cool place in the basement. As they ripen, we either freeze or eat them. At times we are eating fresh tomatoes from our garden until December.

Almost every year, my garden produces enough of the herbs and vegetables which I plant to last us the whole year?fresh in summer, and dried, pickled, or frozen the remaining months of the year. Yet, this is not all my gardens? attributes. Even though it produces much of our family?s vegetable needs, it is also to me a springboard of pleasure and enshrines the history of my family.



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:08:57 -0500
From: "E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
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But why do "traditional" farmers feel that they can no longer continue with that tradition? What I read most often is that they move to the cities "to escape the grinding poverty of subsistence farming".

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hargesheimer
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Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations


The reason it has never been raised because I believe it is not true. As income increases, population goes down over time.

The population of shanty towns and cities explode because the subsistence farmers cannot compete with below cost of production prices that corn, etc sells for. They move to the city. They live on corn, beans, rice, cassava/yucca, etc. With prices increasing, probably cannot afford that now.

Farmers in Honduras who adopted organic, no-till farming have not moved to the city because they can make a decent living on their farms. I have visited them and seen it for myself. It is the only way to stop migration to the cities.

Ken Hargesheimer

Daniel Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com> wrote:
One of the issues that I have never seen raised is that the prosperity of the Western countries directly increases the populations of the Third World.

Once they have money, their populations explode in shanty towns and cities, living on imported industrialized foods.



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:02:35 -0700
From: "Don Bowen" <don.bowen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] USDA axes national survey charting
pesticide use
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
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The U.S. Department of Agriculture said Wednesday it plans to do away with
publishing its national survey tracking pesticide use, despite opposition
from
prominent scientists, the nation's largest farming organizations and
environmental groups.

This is the way of the current administration. If you do not like something
just stop reporting it. They have done it many times over and I expect them
to accelerate the pace.

Don Bowen KI6DIU
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 00:27:37 -0400
From: "Norma Sutton" <sweetspringfarm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: "E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>, "Healthy soil and
sustainable growing" <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Mitch I can answer part of that. Traditional farmers do their best to send
their children to school to give them a good education. In school farming
is looked down on and in college they are told that they can't make a living
at it. I know that from personal experience.
Norma

On 5/23/08, E. E. Mitchamore Jr <emitch@att.net> wrote:

But why do "traditional" farmers feel that they can no longer continue
with that tradition? What I read most often is that they move to the cities
"to escape the grinding poverty of subsistence farming".

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz



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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:03:32 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
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And the reason is corporate agribusiness wants family farmers off the land so they can keep up their scam and control the food supply and the price of food. After all, they pay the ads in the farming publications and endow departments in the colleges. Money talks. You CAN make a living farming, but their farming advice will ruin you like millions of others. That advice was "get big or get out". It was a threat.

The way to survive is: whatever they say, do the opposite.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 5/24/2008 at 12:27 AM Norma Sutton wrote:

Mitch I can answer part of that. Traditional farmers do their best to
send
their children to school to give them a good education. In school farming
is looked down on and in college they are told that they can't make a
living
at it. I know that from personal experience.
Norma

On 5/23/08, E. E. Mitchamore Jr <emitch@att.net> wrote:

But why do "traditional" farmers feel that they can no longer continue
with that tradition? What I read most often is that they move to the
cities
"to escape the grinding poverty of subsistence farming".

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:08:19 -0600
From: "Dean" <andeanfx@midrivers.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
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Somebody else's $.02

"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school." -
George Bernard Shaw


Dean

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations



And the reason is corporate agribusiness wants family farmers off the land
so they can keep up their scam and control the food supply and the price
of food. After all, they pay the ads in the farming publications and endow
departments in the colleges. Money talks. You CAN make a living farming,
but their farming advice will ruin you like millions of others. That
advice was "get big or get out". It was a threat.

The way to survive is: whatever they say, do the opposite.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 5/24/2008 at 12:27 AM Norma Sutton wrote:

Mitch I can answer part of that. Traditional farmers do their best to
send
their children to school to give them a good education. In school farming
is looked down on and in college they are told that they can't make a
living
at it. I know that from personal experience.
Norma

On 5/23/08, E. E. Mitchamore Jr <emitch@att.net> wrote:

But why do "traditional" farmers feel that they can no longer continue
with that tradition? What I read most often is that they move to the
cities
"to escape the grinding poverty of subsistence farming".

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz



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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:26:56 -0700
From: yarrow@sfo.com
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Smells like dog manure!
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
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At 2:19 AM -0400 5/23/08, Michael Kaer wrote:
That got me thinking about the future of small gardens and small
flocks in urban and sub urban settings. Just like at a farm, there
will be some processes that will not smell nicely and the neighbours
could complain. What can be done to keep these types of situations
from happening and if they do happen how to remedy them?. My
solutions was to seal it in a plastic garbage can and I will drag it
to the back and open it only when people are at work or school, and
feed it to the compost pile,bit by bit.


To keep a compost pile from smelling bad, don't let it go anaerobic.
If it does (from too high a concentration of greens or too much
moisture or being sealed in plastic), add browns such as dry leaves,
shredded paper, or straw. I use mulch, which is readily available at
the community garden and usually consists of chopped up branches and
leaves and sometimes small wood chips.

If you open the bin and it smells bad and you don't have time to turn
it and incorporate browns (or don't have any), here are 2 things an
urban gardener can do to mitigate the odors:
1. shred a lot of paper and just add it to the top, 3 to 6 inches
thick (loosely placed, not packed in). Don't wet it -- it'll get wet
enough as you add other compostables. Keep a bagful of shredded paper
(office paper or newspaper) on hand to cover new additions to the bin.

2. Get free coffee grounds from coffee shops. Starbucks has a policy
of giving away free grounds, though workers in individual stores
sometimes say they don't have any, ever. A thick enough layer of
coffee grounds will make the surrounding area smell like coffee for a
short time, will mask other odors, and will also eliminate the swarms
of fruit flies (or other small flying insects) that sometimes are
attracted to newly added compostables. Coffee grounds are a "green,"
not a "brown," so you will still need to add browns to the pile
later, but in my experience, they work well as an all-purpose soil
additive and compost-pile additive. If they are left out in the open,
though, they can form a water-repelling crust.

When the bin is full or when you are ready to use the compost, if
it's still too wet and has gone anaerobic, you will need to deal with
it then, but at least you can decide when you'll turn it and add the
browns -- when you know the neighbors will be away, for instance.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:35:02 -0700
From: "Don Bowen" <don.bowen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
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And the reason is corporate agribusiness wants family farmers off the land
so they can keep up their scam and control the food supply and the price of
food. After all, they pay the ads in the farming publications and endow
departments in the colleges. Money talks. You CAN make a living farming, but
their farming advice will ruin you like millions of others. That advice was
"get big or get out". It was a threat.
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Also the corporate interests need a steady supply of workers to exploit. If
more people went back to farming then there would be fewer to in the cities
to use as a cheap labor force.

Don Bowen KI6DIU
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 09:51:02 -0500
From: "BirdWalk" <birdwalk@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Populations
To: "'Healthy soil and sustainable growing'"
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Most agreeable on the huge agribusiness and government wanting to control
the food supply.

However several folks I know are making a nice living in agriculture with
the oddity market. Such as we 'grew' baloots for several years. The guy
down the road had less than an acre of corn - hand inoculated with some sort
of fungus for the Asian market. Yet another was growing star beans.

www.nonais.org

And the reason is corporate agribusiness wants family farmers off the land

so they can keep up their scam and control the food supply and the price
of food.



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