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  • From: "TradingPostPaul" <tradingpost@riseup.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] perma
  • Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:01:13 -0700


I may sound overly blunt, but I take issue with the whole idea of
permaculture being some sort of complete system with all others just being
parts of it. I don't even think it's a complete system. It's been claimed
that even though all the parts were known before Mollison, he first pulled
it all together and that's the beauty of permaculture. Unfortunately, it's
not true.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 3/8/2007 at 1:00 PM Martin Naylor wrote:

>A large part of that Emilia said was that folks don't spend enough time
>observing their land.....just watching it all day. They put things in the
>wrong place because they quite literally fight Nature in doing so. What
>seems like the right place for a garden because it is convenient for the
>gardener may be a step towards failure before the first seeds are planted
>
> A basic essential of permaculture is observation not watching
>[observation is the observing of something with no judgemental thought
>patterns], another basic concept of permaculture is putting the right
>thing in the right place, basically minimum input maximum output
>
> Another basic essential is to use any knowledge available from the
>distant past to the present to accomplish these outcomes.
>
> As permaculture is prepared to use any imformation/knowlege I can't see
>how any system can compare, as all systems are a fragment of permaculture
>
> Martin
>
>
> “There ain't no time to wonder why
>Whoopee! We're all gonna die.”
>('Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die' Rag, Country Joe and The Fish, 1967)
>
>I have yet to meet a single person from our culture, no matter what his or
>her educational background, IQ, and specific training, who had powerful
>transpersonal experiences and continues to subscribe to the materialistic
>monism of Western science.
>- Albert Einstein
>
>
>http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/interference/a-to-z-guide-to-pol
itical.html political interference in science
>
>
>
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