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  • From: "TradingPostPaul" <tradingpost@riseup.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] composting, no-till, etc
  • Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:46:56 -0600


I think you'll agree that no method works for everyone whether it's
building adobe or hog calling. Ken's point is no-till works, period.
There's a right and a wrong way to do anything. If I do no-till and don't
get good results, it certainly doesn't mean no-till didn't work. It means I
didn't *make* it work. There's a great deal more to it than just not
plowing and cultivating. Good growing has a learning curve. It takes time
and practice, and certainly good information. And I think that's true of
all agricultural practices.

As they say, the Devil is in the details.


paul tradingpost@lobo.net

Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.
--Henry David Thoreau
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On 7/5/2006 at 11:28 AM Greg and April wrote:

>A couple of small disagreements.
>
>First. Nature does till, just not the way we do. Moles, gofers,
>shrews, rats, mice, earthworms, rabbits and a host of other animals and
>insects bring dirt ( including subsoil ) to the surface and take organic
>matter below the surface. I could show you some big rocks in my sisters
>yard that had almost been buried by the action of gofers in the last 3-4
>years.
>
>Second. Not everyone will have the same success with the same method,
>and saying that someone failed and the system didn't, is disrespectful.
>Some methods work for some people, other methods work better for other
>people. So just because No-Till didn't work for someone, is by no means
>any reason to say someone failed. Even the son of the Japanese farmer (
>I couldn't even begin to spell his name ) that made a No Till method
>popular couldn't get the same results that his father could.
>
>Greg H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Hargesheimer
> To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 17:36
> Subject: [Livingontheland] composting, no-till, etc
>
>
> Dear oganicites,
>
> As far as I am concerned, there is no debate concerning, organic,
>no-till, mulching, etc. I have seen this in 7 states and 18 countries and
>there is no place on earth that organic, no-till is not the way to do it.

>
> All the technical talk is worth little; what happens in the garden/field
>is what is important. Nature does not plow or dig, add amendments, etc.
>I am a "neighbor" to 20 villages on www.nabuur.com and one guy today said
>that since there are different climates and conditions they need to see
>what works. No, organic, no-till works everywhere. I know a farmer in AR
>who did it for five or so years and stopped. The system did not fail; he
>failed. It works!!
>
>
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