Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com>]

Using biological treatment, with three ponds, the water leaving the third pond is pure enough to drink not that anyone would want to do so but fine for any crop.  This is proven and old technology.  Just go on the internet.  Some cities use it.

 

Ken Hargesheimer

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Today's Topics:

1. What to do with what we grow (TradingPostPaul)
2. Fwd: Re: Covexin 8 (Terry Wereb)
3. Fwd: Re: Immunities (Terry Wereb)
4. Greywater chemistry (BT Benjaminson)
5. Re: Fwd: Re: Immunities (TradingPostPaul)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:21:05 -0600
From: "TradingPostPaul"
Subject: [Livingontheland] What to do with what we grow
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
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(a post I made to another list)

The Big Book of Preserving the Harvest
http://www.rodaleinstitutestore.org/store/customer/product.php?productid=152&cat=&page=12

If they're out of stock try
http://www.motherearthshopping.com/Mother-Earth-Shopping-Detail.aspx?ItemNumber=1493

Also Root Cellaring
http://www.motherearthshopping.com/Mother-Earth-Shopping-Detail.aspx?ItemNumber=539

Most of all, Carla Emery's Encyclopedia of Country Living
http://www.carlaemery.com/orders.htm

or get it from
http://www.hollowtop.com/cls_html/do-it-yourself/homestead_skills.htm
" Some of the topics include: Moving to the country, buying land, sewing a quilt, living self-sufficiently, planning a garden and raising vegetables and herbs, saving seeds, improving soil, raising earthworms, growing mushrooms, wild foraging, growing grasses and grains plus winnowing and grinding grains, making pasta, establishing an orchard, pruning a tree, pressing apple cider, tapping sugar maples, sun-drying fruit, stocking a root cellar, making vinegar, caring for livestock, including feeding, doctoring and butchering, plus breeding rabbits, shearing sheep, milking cows, making cheese, raising chickens, turkeys, guineas and ducks, plucking feathers, cooking a goose, plus resource lists of books, magazines, and mail order suppliers for every subject imaginable."

THAT is living on the land.

paul, tradingpost@riseup.net
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The outstanding scientific discovery of the twentieth century is not television, or radio, but rather the complexity of the land organism. Only those who know the most about it can appreciate how little we know about it.
- Aldo Leopold in Round River, 1933



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:47:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Wereb
Subject: [Livingontheland] Fwd: Re: Covexin 8
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing

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I thought you all may like to see this-- and I am
trying to find another post from today that Basically
refers to soil health being related to forage and
animal health.
The sheep are hair sheep, not woolies...
Terry W

> From:
>
> I am with Carol on the not vaccinating side. We
> were very careful for a
> while and made sure that at least the lambs received
> two doses of CD/T at
> weaning. Now I have lamb customers that are
> butchering for home consumption
> and want grass fed only -- no shots -- no wormers.
> My sheep flock is the
> healthiest it has ever been. The ewes are only
> wormed if they show signs of
> being wormy. My rams are fat and healthy with NO
> shots or worming.
> I think we just listen too much to the pill pushers.
> I have also been using
> data from the early 50's on range management. We
> haven't learned much since
> then. I have found that some of the most efficient
> feeding methods are from
> the way my Dad fed his sheep and goats during the
> drought of the 50's. NEW
> ISN'T ALWAYS BETTER.
> Thank you,



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Wereb
Subject: [Livingontheland] Fwd: Re: Immunities
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing

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Okay, below is the soil-animal health connection

Terry

---
> Living with horses predisposes my stock to tetanus.
> Having watched a
> horse die of lockjaw, this is not a risk I will
> take.
>
> This next bit got me heckled off another sheep list,
> but I'll take a
> chance here. I went through a very difficult period
> with the sheep
> which extensive research revealed to be a trace
> element imbalance - read
> "imbalance" - not necessarily deficiency. In
> disastrous proportions.
> While I fully agree that chemical props used willy
> nilly are extremely
> detrimental to the gene pool, I would also like to
> propose that even
> highly disease tolerant animals which are
> fed/pastured on many of our
> trace-element-deficient/chemicaled forages, do not
> have all the immune
> system building blocks necessary to live up to their
> genetic potential.
> There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of the state
> of disrepair that
> some breeds/species are in is not so much the lack
> of genetic immunity,
> but the lack of immune-system building blocks. They
> are challenged by
> deficient/toxic feeds.
>
> To my mind this is the state of things which fuels
> the pharmaceutical
> engine. We are not putting money into rebuilding
> our agricultural soils
> and thus our health/the health of our animals, we
> are inventing another
> injectable band-aid.
>
> My land is not up to robust health yet, and none of
> the forages I have
> tested from statewide sources give me the confidence
> that my sheep are
> fully up to their genetic immune capabilities. We
> are working on it,
> but building that kind of health into the soil takes
> years. And since
> we must buy in hay for the winter, we are out of
> control of that phase
> of our program. Our time will come, but in the
> meantime, there are one
> or two items that I will vaccinate for.
>
> Regards,
l


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:36:32 +0200
From: BT Benjaminson
Subject: [Livingontheland] Greywater chemistry
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing

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Dear list,
I'm cobbling together a rather casual greywater system.
Some questions
1. If the greywater is made alkaline by the presence of conventional soap,
shampoo, dishwashing detergent, or (a little) laundry detergent, can I
neutralize it by having it come in contact with some half-composted horse
manure towards the end of the process? I think that is acid and if I
remember my high school chemistry from decades ago, it would neutralize it.
This is after it filters through sand, pumice, pea gravel, gravel, and soil.

2. Does anyone think there is a problem growing cucumbers from water thus
filtered? Much to my amazement some Chinese cucumber seeds I sowed around
the greywater area sprouted vigorously yesterday.

Thanks in advance!
Bat-Tzion
Negev (semidesert) Israel



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:40:45 -0600
From: "TradingPostPaul"
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Fwd: Re: Immunities
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Sir Albert Howard found 70 years ago that where soil had high organic matter content and mixed grasses, animals grazing on it were disease free, though diseased animals were all around the area.

paul, tradingpost@riseup.net
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The care of the Earth is our most ancient and most worthy, and after all our most pleasing responsibility. To cherish what remains of it and to foster its renewal is our only hope.
- Wendell Berry
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On 5/15/2006 at 9:53 PM Terry Wereb wrote:

>Okay, below is the soil-animal health connection
>
>Terry
>
>---
>> Living with horses predisposes my stock to tetanus.
>> Having watched a
>> horse die of lockjaw, this is not a risk I will
>> take.
>>
>> This next bit got me heckled off another sheep list,
>> but I'll take a
>> chance here. I went through a very difficult period
>> with the sheep
>> which extensive research revealed to be a trace
>> element imbalance - read
>> "imbalance" - not necessarily deficiency. In
>> disastrous proportions.
>> While I fully agree that chemical props used willy
>> nilly are extremely
>> detrimental to the gene pool, I would also like to
>> propose that even
>> highly disease tolerant animals which are
>> fed/pastured on many of our
>> trace-element-deficient/chemicaled forages, do not
>> have all the immune
>> system building blocks necessary to live up to their
>> genetic potential.
>> There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of the state
>> of disrepair that
>> some breeds/species are in is not so much the lack
>> of genetic immunity,
>> but the lack of immune-system building blocks. They
>> are challenged by
>> deficient/toxic feeds.
>>
>> To my mind this is the state of things which fuels
>> the pharmaceutical
>> engine. We are not putting money into rebuilding
>> our agricultural soils
>> and thus our health/the health of our animals, we
>> are inventing another
>> injectable band-aid.
>>
>> My land is not up to robust health yet, and none of
>> the forages I have
>> tested from statewide sources give me the confidence
>> that my sheep are
>> fully up to their genetic immune capabilities. We
>> are working on it,
>> but building that kind of health into the soil takes
>> years. And since
>> we must buy in hay for the winter, we are out of
>> control of that phase
>> of our program. Our time will come, but in the
>> meantime, there are one
>> or two items that I will vaccinate for.
>>
>> Regards,
>l




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