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[Andrew C.Oliver <acoliver AT buni.org>]

ahh but that doesn't make you a capitalist in the language of the american 
political system.  Since the market cannot itself work out the 
"externalities" they must be internalized in the form of the dreaded "use 
tax" which in the lingo of american politics is "government intervention and 
regulation" which is thus tantamount to socialism and thus..."why do you hate 
america".  Sorry, i'm in a hotel in atlanta and my remote is broken so i've 
been watching fox news again.  Phil can explain to us how letting the earth 
melt is better than suppressing the liberty of greenhouse gas emitters and 
forrest slash and burn farmers. (scientifically speaking, you can buy more 
than a few hummers if we reverse deforestation)

-andy

Tarus Balog  wrote on 10/24/07 10:19 am

>
>On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:55 AM, 
>Marc Wiatrowski wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 
>18:36 -0400, Tarus Balog 
>wrote:
>>> I think this is getting 
>blown way out of proportion. 
>After all, it's
>>> not like they are 
>watering it to make it grow, 
>or to make it
>>> prettier; the fact is that 
>dry astroturf is about as 
>yielding as
>>> concrete. If you want to 
>have collegiate sports on 
>astroturf, is
>>> must
>>> be watered heavily. I bet 
>they are also putting water 
>into their
>>> swimming pools.
>>
>> Doesn't this just beg a 
>different question... With all 
>the different
>> kinds of synthetic crap we 
>can make, we can't make 
>"yielding  
>> AstroTurf"
>> that doesn't requiring 
>water!?
>
>Heh, water's free, right?
>
>Even though I sell free 
>software for a living, I'm a 
>hard core  
>capitalist. Plus, I am also an 
>environmentalist. The two 
>are not  
>mutually exclusive. The 
>current system is broken in 
>that much of it  
>is based on the assumption 
>that air is free (we can dump 
>as much  
>carbon and pollutants in it as 
>we want), water is free, and 
>land is  
>free (from the point of view 
>of waste). If we could capture 
>the cost  
>of these "externalities" in 
>the price of goods, the 
>system would work  
>a lot better as the market 
>would sort it out.
>
>-T
>
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