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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling
- From: Lee Haslup <biglee AT haslups.com>
- To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling
- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:45 -0500
There is a rather good article about all this in today's Chicago Tribune. Yahoo News will find it for you but if you try to get to it through the Tribune web site they want you to register. I was going to post a link but the Yahoo News URL is about three miles long and is probably temporary and the Tribune has that registration challenge so I will only suggest the story is worth looking for.
The young man who filed the suit is a student at a small-ish, religiously-affiliated private college in Washington State. He is pursuing a double major in Pastoral Ministries and Business Management and Administration. He has a scholarship but was told that he could not use it for the "Pastoral Ministries" degree. He sued, claiming the Washington state law unconstitutionally discriminated based on religion. The Federal Appeals Court in California agreed with him but the Supreme Court reversed them in a narrowly-worded 7-2 ruling with Justices Scalia and Thomas dissenting.
For my part, I tend to agree with Scalia, Thomas and the California Appeals Court that if a benefit is generally offered but then withheld based on some 'taint' of religion that is discriminatory. [The application of the word 'taint' here is mine, as far as I know, I don't attribute it to Scalia, Thomas or the California court.] On the other hand, the decision is narrow and I can see merits in the arguments of the other side as well.
Those who know me have observed that I tend to use food analogies in arguments when meal time is approaching. I haven't had lunch yet and so, possibly spurred on by low blood sugar, I can't help but wonder if food stamps should be used to buy kosher bagels? On the one hand, of course, the intent in providing the benefit (food stamps) is to provide food to the less fortunate members of society and, unless you are on the Atkins diet, it is hard to argue with the fact that most kosher bakeries produce wholesome, tasty, sensibly priced food. On the other hand, to be designated "kosher" a certain minimal amount of religiously-prescribed mumbo is involved in the processing and one could argue on "church and state" ground that this is troublesome when combined with state funding.
While you are thinking about that one, consider also a priest who wants to use his food stamps to buy "communion" bread for his church. He argues that "spiritual food" considerations aside, the small white disks are edible and, thus, constitute "food." Since he, and presumably his congregation, meet the economic criteria for under-privilege, and since he is buying food, he claims he should be able to use his food stamps.
Now, I would argue that the priest in my analogy has logic on his side and would probably come down on his side. Still, there is more to life than logic and I am at least sympathetic to the argument that those little white wafers are more properly an intriguing form of edible styrofoam and that they fail the "food" test. I would not be particularly upset by a decision that forbids the use of food stamps to buy communion bread as long as it was narrowly worded.
Which brings me to my, ever-so-slight, quibble with what Michael said, most of which I agree with. He said...
The only problem is 36 states have constitutions which bar the use of public money for religious instruction, and the voucher movement is being pushed primarily by religious groups who want the government to fund the religious instruction of their children. Were this ruling to go the other way, voucher supporters could then force voucher use for religious instruction in those states.
I would argue that, since students at "religious" schools tend to outperform the national average on purely secular measures of education such as reading, math, science and general knowledge, the schools in question are providing "religious instruction" in pretty much the same sense that a kosher bakery provides "Jewish food."
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[internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Michael Czeiszperger, 02/25/2004
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Alan MacHett, 02/25/2004
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Michael Czeiszperger, 02/26/2004
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Steven Champeon, 02/26/2004
- Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling, K. Jo Garner, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Lee Haslup, 02/26/2004
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Steven Champeon, 02/26/2004
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zman, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Lee Haslup, 02/26/2004
- Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling, K. Jo Garner, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Lee Haslup, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Lee Haslup, 02/26/2004
- Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling, Steven Champeon, 02/26/2004
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zman, 02/26/2004
- Church Food was Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling, Diana Duncan, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Steven Champeon, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Steven Champeon, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Michael Czeiszperger, 02/26/2004
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Re: [internetworkers] Today's Supreme Court Ruling,
Alan MacHett, 02/25/2004
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