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[Rowland Smith <rowland AT nc.rr.com>]

FYI, I saw this last week on slashdot.   David Chaum, the inventor of 
digital cash, has teamed up with some top crypto guys to build a secure 
voting system with a paper trail.

I downloaded the paper and skimmed over it (had to stop due to a 
headache and nosebleed;)

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/213206
http://www.vreceipt.com/


Rowland

Edward Wesolowski wrote:

> > I possess the radical view that the code and network implementation 
> > for eVoting must indeed be Open Source.
>
> ...this system from Australia
> http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.html?tw=newsletter_topstories_html 
>
> Maybe not the same, but the U.S. needs something like this too.
>
> > The eVoting machines are coming.
>
> I agree. Hence a big need for security concerns to be addressed.
>
> > Many tens of thousands have already been ordered by various states.
>
> And Yes again.
>
> > Do I believe this will lead to accurate vote counts in the next 
> > election?
> > Hardly.
> > ...Some of the best minds in Computer Science found so many holes in 
> > their implementation that Diebold chose to censor their ability to 
> > report the flaws.
>
> Yep.  ...one I came across. http://avirubin.com/vote
>
> ...all the more reason for tech type folks to accomplish a secure system.
>
> > Oh, but yes Ed -- a secure solution is possible.  Just not the one 
> > that is being sold like snake oil all over the country by corrupt 
> > politicians and greedy businesspersons. Let me reiterate - We are all 
> > doomed.
>
> I think there's a market for (state election boards would really like 
> to have) secure voting systems, systems that don't have some of the 
> problems being associated with the "snake oil" systems. .(..paper 
> trail, audit able, open source. ...seems like it shouldn't be that 
> difficult!)
>
> I'm told that "all" systems have problems: Paper ballot, lever, 
> optical scan, punch card (which we've heard about), all have been 
> accuracy-challenged!
>
> > p.s. Tom Tolleson is not on this list, so he will not get your 
> > response (unless you BCC:'ed him, as well).
>
> ...done, I did bcc a "reply to all"
> Ed W.
>
>
> At 12:19 PM 12/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> > I possess the radical view that the code and network implementation 
> > for eVoting must indeed be Open Source.  Not so much that it can be 
> > shared/reusable code, but that the Open Inspection process will 
> > benefit the security of the whole model.  Many Cisco engineers will 
> > want to disagree with me on that point.
> >
> > The eVoting machines are coming.  Many tens of thousands have already 
> > been ordered by various states.  Do I believe this will lead to 
> > accurate vote counts in the next election?  Hardly.  Based on what 
> > obfuscation I have seen by Diebold and others, the deployment of 
> > eVoting terminals is simply another guarantee in "the lock" that 
> > Dubya will coast into a second term.
> >
> > Some of the best minds in Computer Science found so many holes in 
> > their implementation that Diebold chose to censor their ability to 
> > report the flaws.  And our government supported that thinking.  We 
> > are all doomed.
> >
> > Oh, but yes Ed -- a secure solution is possible.  Just not the one 
> > that is being sold like snake oil all over the country by corrupt 
> > politicians and greedy businesspersons. Let me reiterate - We are all 
> > doomed.
> >
> > /drm
> >
> > p.s. Tom Tolleson is not on this list, so he will not get your 
> > response (unless you BCC:'ed him, as well).
> >
> > On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Edward Wesolowski wrote:
> >
> > > Tom:
> > > ...disturbing articles on Sen Chuck Hagel ownership position in the 
> > > McCarthy Group Inc/ES&S voting machines manufacturer.
> > >
> > > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm
> > > http://www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
> > >
> > > Electronic voting machines seem more a "when" than an "if." Question 
> > > for INW'ers, is a secure electronic voting machine possible? 
> > > ...needs a paper trail, capability for recounts, maybe even open 
> > > source code.
> > > Ed W.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:03 PM 12/1/03 -0500, Tom Tolleson wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is good, unless of course ES&S gets their steam built up and 
> > > > gets their
> > > > voting machines into the national game early. In which case we'll 
> > > > have a
> > > > sitch like Chuck Hagel taking Nebraska by a landslide because he owned
> > > > shares in ES&S (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm OR
> > > > >> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm).
> > > >
> > > > I hate to have a "can't do attitude," but, as Gore Vidal said it, 
> > > > once the
> > > > elections go electronic we're fucked. Well, he didn't really say 
> > > > "fucked"
> > > > I'm kind of paraphrasing. But you probably knew that.
> > > >
> > > > I like pancakes.
> > > >
> > > > -Tom
> >
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