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[Edward Wesolowski <edwes AT idisplay.com>]

> I possess the radical view that the code and network implementation for 
> eVoting must indeed be Open Source.
...this system from Australia
http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.html?tw=newsletter_topstories_html
Maybe not the same, but the U.S. needs something like this too.

> The eVoting machines are coming.
I agree. Hence a big need for security concerns to be addressed.
> Many tens of thousands have already been ordered by various states.
And Yes again.
> Do I believe this will lead to accurate vote counts in the next election?
> Hardly.
> ...Some of the best minds in Computer Science found so many holes in their 
> implementation that Diebold chose to censor their ability to report the 
> flaws.
Yep.  ...one I came across. http://avirubin.com/vote

...all the more reason for tech type folks to accomplish a secure system.
> Oh, but yes Ed -- a secure solution is possible.  Just not the one that is 
> being sold like snake oil all over the country by corrupt politicians and 
> greedy businesspersons. Let me reiterate - We are all doomed.
I think there's a market for (state election boards would really like to 
have) secure voting systems, systems that don't have some of the problems 
being associated with the "snake oil" systems. .(..paper trail, audit able, 
open source. ...seems like it shouldn't be that difficult!)

I'm told that "all" systems have problems: Paper ballot, lever, optical 
scan, punch card (which we've heard about), all have been accuracy-challenged!

> p.s. Tom Tolleson is not on this list, so he will not get your response 
> (unless you BCC:'ed him, as well).
...done, I did bcc a "reply to all"
Ed W.


At 12:19 PM 12/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
> I possess the radical view that the code and network implementation for 
> eVoting must indeed be Open Source.  Not so much that it can be 
> shared/reusable code, but that the Open Inspection process will benefit 
> the security of the whole model.  Many Cisco engineers will want to 
> disagree with me on that point.
>
> The eVoting machines are coming.  Many tens of thousands have already been 
> ordered by various states.  Do I believe this will lead to accurate vote 
> counts in the next election?  Hardly.  Based on what obfuscation I have 
> seen by Diebold and others, the deployment of eVoting terminals is simply 
> another guarantee in "the lock" that Dubya will coast into a second term.
>
> Some of the best minds in Computer Science found so many holes in their 
> implementation that Diebold chose to censor their ability to report the 
> flaws.  And our government supported that thinking.  We are all doomed.
>
> Oh, but yes Ed -- a secure solution is possible.  Just not the one that is 
> being sold like snake oil all over the country by corrupt politicians and 
> greedy businesspersons. Let me reiterate - We are all doomed.
>
> /drm
>
> p.s. Tom Tolleson is not on this list, so he will not get your response 
> (unless you BCC:'ed him, as well).
>
> On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Edward Wesolowski wrote:
>
> > Tom:
> > ...disturbing articles on Sen Chuck Hagel ownership position in the 
> > McCarthy Group Inc/ES&S voting machines manufacturer.
> >
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm
> > http://www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
> >
> > Electronic voting machines seem more a "when" than an "if." Question for 
> > INW'ers, is a secure electronic voting machine possible? ...needs a paper 
> > trail, capability for recounts, maybe even open source code.
> > Ed W.
> >
> >
> > At 05:03 PM 12/1/03 -0500, Tom Tolleson wrote:
> > > This is good, unless of course ES&S gets their steam built up and gets their
> > > voting machines into the national game early. In which case we'll have a
> > > sitch like Chuck Hagel taking Nebraska by a landslide because he owned
> > > shares in ES&S (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm OR
> > > >> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm).
> > >
> > > I hate to have a "can't do attitude," but, as Gore Vidal said it, once the
> > > elections go electronic we're fucked. Well, he didn't really say "fucked"
> > > I'm kind of paraphrasing. But you probably knew that.
> > >
> > > I like pancakes.
> > >
> > > -Tom
>
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