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[David R.Matusiak <dave AT matusiak.org>]

I possess the radical view that the code and network implementation for 
eVoting must indeed be Open Source.  Not so much that it can be 
shared/reusable code, but that the Open Inspection process will benefit 
the security of the whole model.  Many Cisco engineers will want to 
disagree with me on that point.

The eVoting machines are coming.  Many tens of thousands have already 
been ordered by various states.  Do I believe this will lead to 
accurate vote counts in the next election?  Hardly.  Based on what 
obfuscation I have seen by Diebold and others, the deployment of 
eVoting terminals is simply another guarantee in "the lock" that Dubya 
will coast into a second term.

Some of the best minds in Computer Science found so many holes in their 
implementation that Diebold chose to censor their ability to report the 
flaws.  And our government supported that thinking.  We are all doomed.

Oh, but yes Ed -- a secure solution is possible.  Just not the one that 
is being sold like snake oil all over the country by corrupt 
politicians and greedy businesspersons. Let me reiterate - We are all 
doomed.

/drm

p.s. Tom Tolleson is not on this list, so he will not get your response 
(unless you BCC:'ed him, as well).

On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Edward Wesolowski wrote:

> Tom:
> ...disturbing articles on Sen Chuck Hagel ownership position in the 
> McCarthy Group Inc/ES&S voting machines manufacturer.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm
> http://www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
>
> Electronic voting machines seem more a "when" than an "if." Question 
> for INW'ers, is a secure electronic voting machine possible? ...needs 
> a paper trail, capability for recounts, maybe even open source code.
> Ed W.
>
>
> At 05:03 PM 12/1/03 -0500, Tom Tolleson wrote:
> > This is good, unless of course ES&S gets their steam built up and 
> > gets their
> > voting machines into the national game early. In which case we'll 
> > have a
> > sitch like Chuck Hagel taking Nebraska by a landslide because he owned
> > shares in ES&S (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm OR
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm).
> >
> > I hate to have a "can't do attitude," but, as Gore Vidal said it, 
> > once the
> > elections go electronic we're fucked. Well, he didn't really say 
> > "fucked"
> > I'm kind of paraphrasing. But you probably knew that.
> >
> > I like pancakes.
> >
> > -Tom