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[Edward Wesolowski <edwes AT idisplay.com>]

Thanks
The articles are referencing the CalTech/MIT study "Voting: What Is, What 
Could Be."
The comments on viability of "Direct Recording Electronic" machines are 
interesting. ...this is on computerized and  on Internet voting systems. 
...security issues, expense, but the authors say snags w/electronic voting 
are likely to be worked out, and it's what's coming.
Best
Ed Wesolowski

At 09:33 AM 9/22/03 -0400, you wrote:
> http://www.lwv.org/elibrary/nv/2002/voter_0302_4.html
>
> Currently, during the average U.S. presidential election, between four
> and six million votes, out of the approximately 100 million cast, are
> "lost" or go uncounted due to faulty or outdated voting machinery and
> registration problems, according to a study by scientists and engineers
> from the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology.
>
> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2003/vote.html
>
> About 120,000 votes were lost in Massachusetts statewide elections in
> 2000 due to election practices and technologies that could be reformed,
> according to a Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project report written by
> Charles Stewart, professor of political science at MIT, and funded by
> The Boston Foundation.
>
> The estimate of lost votes is based on Census Bureau research, which
> reported that almost 10 percent of 1.3 million registered Massachusetts
> voters who did not cast ballots that year cited “registration problems”
> at the precinct as their reason. The MIT report, "Voting in
> Massachusetts" (pdf file), states that these “lost” votes could be
> recovered by adopting a range of sweeping and incremental reforms.
>
> http://www.brennancenter.org/presscenter/pressrelease_2003_0730.html
>
> LAWSUIT CHARGES CITY BOARD OF ELECTIONS KNOWINGLY FAILED TO REPAIR
> VOTING MACHINES
>
>
> 60,000 New York City voters thwarted in 2000 election; Similar numbers
> of lost votes in other recent elections; Minorities disproportionately
> harmed
>
> A lawsuit filed today in federal court claims that some 60,000 residents
> of New York City failed to have their votes counted in the 2000
> elections because the City Board of Elections left disabled a voting
> machine device designed to prevent such “undervoting.” The device, known
> as a “sensor latch,” had been disabled in all 7,000 New York City lever
> voting machines. The suit filed in the Eastern District of New York on
> behalf of the Working Families Party, ACORN and individual voters by the
> Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law seeks to compel the
> Board of Elections to repair the sensor latches in the City’s voting
> machines.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-
> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Edward Wesolowski
> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:45 AM
> > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Bush the monster?
> >
> > Shea:
> > ...just curious, what's your source on this:
> > "And this doesn't even include the number of ballets that are simply
> > lost.  In NC in the past
> > few years, thousands of votes have simply been lost."
> >
> > Definitely looks right, but I was wondering, is this from the
> newspapers
> > or....
> > Ed Wesolowski
> >
> >
> > At 11:51 PM 9/19/03 -0400, you wrote:
> > >The Electoral College argument is a weak one at best.  In the past
> 200
> > >years there have only been two, arguably three, occasions where they
> > >differed from the popular vote and in those cases it was always a
> > >situation where the popular vote was very, very close.
> > >
> > >And if you going to nit pick to that extent, then you should be more
> > >concerned with unelected and unaccountable local officials rendering
> > >decisions on votes that can't be machine read properly.  Each
> election
> > >more than 10 times the number of votes in question in Bush v Gore are
> > >discarded because local officials decide they are incorrect in some
> way.
> > >In most cases the ballet is wholesale discarded even though it is
> > >perhaps only a single mark that is incorrect.  And this doesn't even
> > >include the number of ballets that are simply lost.  In NC in the
> past
> > >few years, thousands of votes have simply been lost.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >[mailto:internetworkers-
> > > > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of zman
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Bush the monster?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Rebecca O'Connell wrote:
> > > > > But the idea behind a representative democracy is that we elect
> > > > > representatives and they act on our behalf. "We" hired "them"
> (or
> > >hired
> > > > the
> > > > > people who hired "them") and if "we" don¹t approve of what
> "they" do
> > > > then we
> > > >
> > > > I believe we still use the Electorial College, which in my opinion
> > >only
> > > > takes the popular vote as a suggestion. I would tend to agree with
> you
> > >if
> > > > you could take them out of the equation.
> > > >
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