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Hi Rob:)


RE: Heifer Not In Heat



I wouldn't worry too much. She is a bit young. What does she weigh? I know 
they recommend Angus heifers breed around 800 lbs -almost 2 years old.



If she's light in weight and bred that's really not good. I have quite a few 
young Angus heifers and young bulls are always sniffing around,but 
generally(there are exceptions:( seem to breed when they are ready and 
produce healthy calves.




A good low birth weight bull is important for first calf heifer.  All the 
best. Frank


PS anyone now on the list in Kentucky?


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   4. Re: The death of a list (Lee Flier)
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   6. Re: Homesteady Stuff (Robert Walton)
   7. Heifer that doesn't show heat (Robert Walton)
   8. Re: Heifer that doesn't show heat (Celia Morgan)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:20:58 -0500
From: Lee Flier <lflier AT mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Oh yeah, there are a number of lists and newsgroups that have thousands 
of members and have been around forever. I'm referring to the smaller 
groups like ours, which tends to be the kind I gravitate toward. It's 
more close knit and not as hard to keep up with.

I also prefer not to have separate "off topic" forums. I like the fact 
that conversations can take a left turn, but it doesn't work well in 
larger groups (I agree that in a very large group there should be a 
separate list for that). In a smaller group, it can be fine, but it does 
take some awareness on everyone's part as to when it's gone too far, and 
when it might be alienating to new members.

On 12/31/2012 2:52 PM, lurine AT com-pair.net wrote:
> I belong to multiple e-groups/list.  One has over 5500 members.
> Another has over 3700 members and stil another has about 1200 members.
>



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:24:00 -0800
From: lurine AT com-pair.net
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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We are looking at a couple of St. Croix ewes to start and have been
offered a white Dorper ram.

Consider this arm twisting! :)

Lynda

---- Original Message ----
From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net

>Alrighty then. I retired from commercial horse showing at the same my
>husband retired from the government. We opted, for a variety of
>reasons, not to stay in Virginia even though I still miss some things
>very much. I have thirty acres now, with an adjoining 15 I lease from
>the farmer across the street for hay. 
>
>Instead of doing horses, I am doing hair sheep and sheep dogs, and as
>far as horses all I have are two ponies for my kid to bomb around on.
>This kid is eleven and no rider, so they and the kid are just buds,
>and comfort for me.  One of the ponies turns out to be an excellent
>guard animal, and he also pulls. I've made money on him carting
>people around at weddings and stuff. 
>
>My youngest is now eleven and homeschooled. My oldest made it into
>UVA after a Waldorf/Friends combo of schools. I am proud of her. 
>
>The sheep are paying their own way as well as the dogs'. They are
>Katahdins and I've spent the last five years or so on the learning
>curve for a new species. I'm up to about 30 nice ewes twinning and
>tripling and I had eerie good luck with one I'd love to brag on if
>anybody twists my arm. I gave up not making money on the lambs when
>Roy retired and now truck everything to New Holland that isn't bought
>off the farm. 
>
>I have four dogs currently in work and some students. I don't breed
>but I have sold/trade/bought to have suitable working partnerships. 
>
>We've been rehabbing this old hole we live in slowly, one major
>project a year, with little stuff on the side. We may finish before
>we die. Fencing, septic, roof, electric and insulation, next summer
>it's painting. The goal is the house, the wooden barn, and the shed.
>Laugh with me. One ongoing project is constantly retro-greening the
>house. We removed almost all of the south west walls, put in some
>serious windows, and a lot of stone on the floor. Slate. I like it.
>And it doesn't get too hot up here for that, either, in the summer. 
>
>We finally made it up to two years ahead on wood this fall, I have
>these fantastic soapstone stoves with converters that came with the
>house. Which is good, because the place is a freaking sieve even with
>insulation. I figure this is good because we will probably NOT die or
>carbon monoxide poisoning or radon. 
>
>I barter with my next door neighbour for organic eggs, beef, and milk
>in lamb and sheep cheese. I'm working on perfecting my faux Manchego.
>
>
>I don't garden, I am still the black thumb of death, but the Ithaca
>Farmer's Market is stupendous and I am supporting local organics so
>I'm ok with that.  I put stuff up all summer long. A million jars or
>tomatoes, I think. What we are the lucky recipients are of a
>gardener's home. We have apple trees, pear trees, blueberries,
>blackberries, rose hips, fiddle head ferns, watercress, and more. We
>pick the berries off the branches as soon as the dew has dried and
>freeze them. SO lucky. 
>
>I was still replying to the list regularly when we were looking to
>move. For what it's worth, I could not love Ithaca more (unless maybe
>we could have just a teeny bit more sunshine). It is wonderful here,
>and the local culture and economy supports the concept of
>sustainability in all its myriad guises. 
>
>I hereby swear off politics, except environmental stuff. I think we
>all come from the same place there so it shouldn't cause arguments.




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:20:54 -0800
From: lurine AT com-pair.net
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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I think it is all individual personalities.  The big homesteading
list I'm on has an owner who has to be late 70s, maybe early 80s.  An
absolute wealth of information and over the years I've been on the
list I have seen him answer the same questions over and over again,
very graciously, for newbees.  Old "articles" he's written are sent
every now again so that people that didn't see them the first time
get to see them again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Tvo getting cranky over
answering the same question from a newbee that he'd answered before. 
Maybe I missed those.  Others, yes but not the real storehouse of
information.

Lynda

---- Original Message ----
From: genegerue AT ruralize.com
>
>On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Robert Walton wrote:
>
>> The political talk seemed the cause of the final throes of this
>list, but I
>> think that it ran deeper and maybe was a symptom and not the cause.
>There
>> was a time when this list was a place to ask questions and discuss
>answers.
>> At some point, the answers were "that's been discussed" or "did you
>bother
>> to google that topic before you asked"?
>> 
>> Somehow we stopped getting pleasure out of discussing homesteading.




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:02:17 -0500
From: Lee Flier <lflier AT mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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No, I agree, Tvo never got cranky with newbie questions. I just think 
the list, particularly after his passing, got to where newbies wouldn't 
have felt welcome because it was mostly political stuff and contentious 
arguments between a few personalities who would never back down from 
anything. I certainly didn't want to hang around at that point, let 
alone a newbie! :)

Nice to "see" some of you folks again though, and get back to a bit of 
homestead talk!

On 1/1/2013 5:20 PM, lurine AT com-pair.net wrote:
> I think it is all individual personalities.  The big homesteading
> list I'm on has an owner who has to be late 70s, maybe early 80s.  An
> absolute wealth of information and over the years I've been on the
> list I have seen him answer the same questions over and over again,
> very graciously, for newbees.  Old "articles" he's written are sent
> every now again so that people that didn't see them the first time
> get to see them again.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Tvo getting cranky over
> answering the same question from a newbee that he'd answered before.
> Maybe I missed those.  Others, yes but not the real storehouse of
> information.
>
> Lynda
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: genegerue AT ruralize.com
>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Robert Walton wrote:
>>
>>> The political talk seemed the cause of the final throes of this
>> list, but I
>>> think that it ran deeper and maybe was a symptom and not the cause.
>> There
>>> was a time when this list was a place to ask questions and discuss
>> answers.
>>> At some point, the answers were "that's been discussed" or "did you
>> bother
>>> to google that topic before you asked"?
>>>
>>> Somehow we stopped getting pleasure out of discussing homesteading.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:47:01 -0800
From: lurine AT com-pair.net
Subject: [Homestead] Homesteady Stuff
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Okey dokey, I'll start.  I am soooo looking forward to 2013.  2012
ended in a sh*t storm.  3' of snow in one day and it didn't quit
until our carports (3) collapsed on our 3 vehicles, the appliances we
had bought for our kitchen remodel and most of DH's tools.  Oh, and 6
cases of my canning jars.  Plus, Son #3 was up for the holidays and
had his truck parked next to the carports and a huge chunk of
snow/ice fell on his windshield and the collapsed/tilting carports
look like they may have sprung the frame as the truck is all askew.

Not being happy with that, it took out a limb of what we call our owl
tree.  An oak that is old as dirt and where a pygmy owl lives.  The
limb took out the gazebo.  Didn't get the glider as we put it in the
barn during the winter. 

Then it took out the north half of the pergola on the front of the
house.  Two days later, icey rain caused the snow on the roof to
become an avalance and the ice took out the other half of the pergola
and ripped the siding off the house.

Power was off and on for over a week with 1 or 2 days without power
then a day with power and then another day or two without power.

So we all survived.  Then I had to deal with the insurance company.
Have you ever had to explain that not everyone in California is a
blue-eyed blonde that lives at the beach?  That you don't have mail
delivery?  That cell phones don't work?  AND, that their adjuster
will have to have both 4-wheel drive with snow tires AND chaines?  @@

Crash, bang, boom on 12/22.  The adjuster will finally make it out
here on Thursday.

So, as I said, I am looking forward to 2013!  DH has already drawn up
the plans for a new carport (did architectural drafting in college,
so we won't have to pay someone inorder to get plans approved).  We
still have to dig out the stove and fridge.  The stove, needless to
say is going to have to go over to an appliance repair shop to have
all the wiring checked, etc.  It is what was second on my dream list
for a stove (1950's gas with a griddle) and I am going to be sooooo
angry if it is ruined!  They are just about impossible to find for
under $5,000!  And, believe me I did not pay anywhere near that.  The
used appliance shop where I got it hadn't a clue!

Don't care if the dishwasher survives or not.  I didn't really want
one but ya have to look at resale value in a house and so you need a
dishwasher.

The carports were supposed to be made of the same quality pipe as
Powder River.  NOT!  So they will be recycled as greenhouses.  We
think we can take pieces of the 3 and make them into 2 useable
greenhouses.

The sheep shed is being converted into a pig house and an acre of
land high tensile hotwired next to it.  There are about 20 oak trees
on that part of the land and piggies raised grazing and with acorns
are yummy!

I have cleared another section in the mudroom so that I have more
room for more canning.  Right now all the space is filled with tomato
sauce, salsa, hot spicey veggies, peppers, cabbage, pickled beets,
pears, peaches, applesauce, pickles (cucumber, watermelon rind,
zucchini), hot and spicey cauliflower (absolutely delish with a
cheese sauce), jellies, jams, pie fillings and syrups/sauces.  Once
the gas stove is in there will be jars of beans, pasta e figoli,
meatballs (Italian, Swedish, Sweet and Sour), soups, soups and more
soups, chili, chicken, venison stew, and whatever else happens to
tickle my fancy.

Right now I am going through the wish books (seed catelogs).  I love
irises and have found the deer don't like them, so I now have a dozen
different colors.  I may buy somemore.  I like having color around
the house.  We've added a BIG strawberry bed.  And we are going to
try growing popcorn this year.  Also found a regular corn that is
short season and will be trying it.

Tried square foot gardening last year and while it worked, it didn't
produce the quantity and quality that my regular raised beds do, so
scraped that idea!

So, what is everyone else up to?

Lynda
---- Original Message ----
From: lflier AT mindspring.com

>No, I agree, Tvo never got cranky with newbie questions. I just think
>the list, particularly after his passing, got to where newbies
wouldn't 
>have felt welcome because it was mostly political stuff and
contentious 
>arguments between a few personalities who would never back down from 
>anything. I certainly didn't want to hang around at that point, let 
>alone a newbie! :)
>
>Nice to "see" some of you folks again though, and get back to a bit
>of homestead talk!




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:02:33 -0500
From: Robert Walton <waltonrp AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homesteady Stuff
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You an the weather have been busy! I remember you talking about that stove
a long time ago. Do you have the space ready for it once it's deemed
undamaged?

Weather there in Virginia has been just close to wintery. It's gotten
colder that it was in December, but nothing like it should be. Much like
last winter.


Rob - Va


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:07:07 -0500
From: Robert Walton <waltonrp AT gmail.com>
Subject: [Homestead] Heifer that doesn't show heat
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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I've got a Guernsey heifer. She was a year old in October, so 14 months
old, now. I bought her from a dealer in calves who swore she was not a
twin.

I'm not sure that she's showing heat. I've seen a couple of times that I
think she might be showing, but nothing for sure. No discharge, no clear
riding ion or by the steers.

Should I be worried? Unfortunately, getting a vet out here is probably not
going to happen.

The cows that I had a couple of years a go, one you could hardly ever tell
when she was in heat and the other would be riding everyone else and then
out on the hill bellowing for a bull.

Rob - Va


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:03:53 -0500
From: Celia Morgan <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Heifer that doesn't show heat
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Cc: "homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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So I know nuthin' from nuthin'  about cows, but at this time year I wouldn't 
expect anything to be going into heat. :-)

Do twins not reproduce normally? 

Cheers,

Celia

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Robert Walton <waltonrp AT gmail.com> wrote:

I've got a Guernsey heifer. She was a year old in October, so 14 months
old, now. I bought her from a dealer in calves who swore she was not a
twin.

I'm not sure that she's showing heat. I've seen a couple of times that I
think she might be showing, but nothing for sure. No discharge, no clear
riding ion or by the steers.

Should I be worried? Unfortunately, getting a vet out here is probably not
going to happen.

The cows that I had a couple of years a go, one you could hardly ever tell
when she was in heat and the other would be riding everyone else and then
out on the hill bellowing for a bull.

Rob - Va
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