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["Jeanne Driese" <jeanne13 AT earthlink.net>]

Here in North East TN it is the same as yours Lynn
Jeanne
tnhillwoman
North East TN zone 6
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lynn Wigglesworth 
  To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Irony


  I've always thought California is a whole different world :-) Our minimum 
  wage is $7.25/hour ($2.83 for waiters).

  The dairies here are mostly old, many are Century Farms (in the same family 
  for at least 100 years), and many are still in the original barn...tie 
  stalls and a pipeline. The more modern ones have put in a milking parlor. 
  All Grade A, but no fancy 'merry go rounds' (as they call them here) in 
  Tioga County. And most dairies here would be what you consider "mom and 
  pop"...200 cows is considered large.

  Lynn Wigglesworth
  Tioga Co. PA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>
  To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Irony


  > Now see, that's one of the problems with these bi-lateral coastal
  > discussions.  Minimum wage out here IS $8/hr.  So, working for Micky D's
  > gets ya $8/hr.  Most other places pay more than that. Also, we don't have
  > weird laws like Oklahoma where if the company has 4 or less employees they
  > can pay slave wages ($2/hr).  Or a few other states where if you work as a
  > waitress they can figure in the tips and pay you less because your tips
  > bring you up to minimum wage.
  >
  > And, except for a few very small mom & pop dairies, I've never seen one 
  > that
  > isn't Grade A all the way.  My fav are a couple in Sonoma and Marin
  > (probably others but I know these guys) where the cows get on and the base
  > turns and by the time they're done milking, they walk off into a different
  > field.  Hey, it's almost as cool as the house down in Marin that turns so
  > you are always facing the sun.
  >
  > Lynda
  > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
  > are
  > to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
  > servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."  Theordore
  > Roosevelt, 1918.
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
  >
  >
  >> Here, the kind of work you guys are talking about, shoveling manure from
  >> horse stalls and dairy ops, landscaping, haybaling etc pays $8/hour to
  >> cash workers and day laborers.  The only minimum wage type jobs are in
  >> retail and fast food.  Grocery stores start at $8, too.
  >>
  >> People have been migrating south for quite a number of years.  Not only
  >> do we have multiple seasons, but we have jobs, too.
  >>
  >> B
  >>
  >> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
  >>> No wonder they DON'T come to Tioga Co. PA!! I've been looking for 3 
  >>> years
  >>> and can't find even a minimum wage job. I've applied for everything I've
  >>> found, and there are dozens of other applicants. I'll do anything except
  >>> work on a dairy farm (way too much work for minimum wage, and a split
  >>> shift,
  >>> like 6-10am then 4-8pm)
  >>>
  >>> Lynn Wigglesworth
  >>> Tioga Co. PA
  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >>> From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
  >>> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  >>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:48 PM
  >>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Irony
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>> Wow, no wonder they are coming to GA.  Here, they make $10 starting pay
  >>>> through temp agencies with benefits.  If they get on in a mill 
  >>>> directly,
  >>>> they make a minimum of $12/hour, and more with shift work and overtime.
  >>>>  A lot of the mills get illegals to work nights and weekends because
  >>>> they will, so they end up with 50-60 hour weeks and lots of overtime.
  >>>> Two of my former coworkers and friends made over 70K.
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Don Bowen wrote:
  >>>>>> Those coming to CA don't "grub for dirty work."  They make lots more
  >>>>>> than
  >>>>>> $7/hr.  Their fake IDs get them construction and landscaping jobs 
  >>>>>> that
  >>>>>> begin, at minimum, $10 and go upwards to $30 plus an hour.
  >>>>> Some but far from most.  Most wind up doing stoop labor in the fields,
  >>>>> picking your organic greens, often paid by the amount picked, rarely
  >>>>> above
  >>>>> the minimum wage.  Gardeners (the mow, blow, and go type) make upwards
  >>>>> of
  >>>>> $10 an hour but many of the larger companies have the people on
  >>>>> contract
  >>>>> and
  >>>>> pay by the job.  Until recently many were in the construction trades.
  >>>>> Ten
  >>>>> years ago a framer with tools made around $25 an hour, at the height 
  >>>>> of
  >>>>> the
  >>>>> boom two years ago a framer with tools made around $20.  Most crews
  >>>>> were
  >>>>> heavily illegals and paid in cash.  The guys hanging around looking 
  >>>>> for
  >>>>> day
  >>>>> labor are lucky to get $8, good pay is $10 an hour with a meal.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Don Bowen  KI6DIU
  >>>>> New ruralize pages, follow the link off http://www.ruralize.com
  >>>>> http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html
  >>>>>
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  >>>> Sleep well tonight, for somewhere in the ocean's depths, MY son is
  >>>> protecting your freedom on the USS Key West, currently deployed
  >>>> somewhere in the Pacific and/or Indian Ocean.  Go Navy!
  >>>> EarthNSky Farm, NW Georgia, USA
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  >> protecting your freedom on the USS Key West, currently deployed
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  >> EarthNSky Farm, NW Georgia, USA
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