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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Well, replying to my own post again <g>  Here's the court documents on this 
case http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2009/3/17/courtorder.pdf

For those on landline internet service, the short and sweet of it is that 
the grandparents of the children (both husband and wife's parents) gave 
sworn testimony that the church is cult and that they are worried about the 
children.  The the wife has changed.  There were several witnesses that were 
former members of the church that testified to "boot camp practices where 
children as young as 4 are waken in the middle of the night and made to do 
push-ups" and that the leader of the church had made sexually explicit 
comments about very young female children and that physical abuse was the 
rule not the exception.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
> Well, having worked with children who were subjected to the Pearls, Twelve 
> Tribes, Dobson, Ezzo and other "christian" cult types who advocate 
> withholding food and spanking infants with rods, I'd be a bit worried if I 
> were the father and husband also!
>
> Not doing birthdays or celebrating Christmas, Halloween, Easter, etc. is 
> not a big deal.  It's all just moe consummerism anyway.
>
> The whole "hair shirt" routines and selling paddles and "rods" 
> specifically made in special sizes to fit the age of the child beginning 
> at 3 months is child abuse IMNSHO!
>
> We got kids in from Twelve Tribes that had hatch marks on their backs 
> because they didn't, literally, jump instantly to obey a parent!