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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

yesterday I visited with an older man (67) who built himself an "earthship"  
(more on that later)....
 
His place is approximate 2 miles from a paved road.  I was asking him why he 
had so many big dogs (all are 1/2 wolf bred).  For protection.  
 
As he showed me the earthship (awesome) ... I noted loaded guns propped up 
next to every door.  I asked him why.  Protection.
 
Why?  He told me that illegals walking thru the area, walk along the ridge he 
is on, so they can see if "La Migra" is on the road 2 miles away.  The 
illegals frequently attempt to break in and steal things - anything from food 
and water, to clothes, etc.
 
Some of these are "drug mules" and other just illegals passing thru.
 
His property is about 20 miles or so north of where I am (and some 40? miles 
north of the Mexican border) .  These illegals pass my area before they get 
to him.  This property has a 6' high chain link around it with triple strands 
of barb across the top.... and even so, the illegals have come on the 
property.  My first guess would be looking for water and food... this IS the 
desert.  A quick gunshot on the air sends them scrambling.
 
People buying guns today are buying them for protection --- IMO.
 
 


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A TF running out of forms
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 10:26 AM

Somehow, the thought of more people with more guns doesn't give me a warm 
fuzzy feeling. I'm just an old 'peace and love' hippy.

Lynn Wigglesworth

----- Original Message ----- 
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>I drove over to Cabelas yesterday to purchase some needed items.  It is a 
>'huge' store , with an enormous parking lot -- and it was packed. 
Judging 
>by their attire, autos and purchases, most appeared to be people of means, 
>not your local survivalist out ot buy a case of MRE's.
>
> At the firearm counter, you had to take a number , like at the DMV (though

> they were much more courteous and efficient than any government 
> operation), and then wait for your number to be called.  They were selling

> firearms as fast as walmart sells Snickers bars at Halloween.
>
> The economy as a whole may be suffering, but this one party Democrat 
> government making the firearms and related economy bigger than ever.
>
> This article (below) is a memeo from the (pffft) A TF regarding the fact 
> that business is so brisk that they are running out of governmental forms
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> U.S. Department of Justice
>
> Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
> Firearms and Explosives
>
> Assistant Director
>
>
>
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>
>  Washington, DC 20226
>
>
>
> January 6, 2009
>
>
> Notice to All Federal Firearms Licensees
> Regarding ATF Form 4473 Shortage
>
> As a result of an unprecedented increase in demand for ATF Forms 4473 
> (5300.9) Part I Revised August 2008, inventory of the form at the ATF 
> Distribution Center is running low.
>
> As a temporary measure, ATF is allowing FFLs to photocopy the form 4473 in

> it’s entirety until they receive their orders from the ATF Distribution 
> Center.
>
> A notice will be posted at the expiration of this temporary authorized 
> change.
>
>
>
>
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Thank you for the permission to make fun of Algore. While I don't feel it was 
necessary, I appreciate it, and will continue to do so. The reason I 
mentioned it is that we are having record cold and snowfalls in this area. Of 
course, it's just a precursor to the new Ice age that global warming is 
causing. Just watch The Day After, and you will see...



For the record, I have no doubt that climate change is occurring. It always 
does. There is a huge history of it in the fossil record. I don't buy the 
argument that WE are causing it, especially when you weight the argument that 
a single Mount Pinatubo(?) eruption puts more particulates and gases into the 
air than mankind has in his ENTIRE HISTORY. I also find it most interesting 
that Mars seems to be experiencing global warming, as is Venus. My SUV 
undoubtedly causes that, too.

Now, does this mean I oppose arguments that we need to husband resources more 
carefully?? No. But don't force things on me because of fear and panic of 
mindless drones who fear the sky is falling.

Ray


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Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 6:36 pm
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It's winter, and we have cold weather. Make sport of Mr Gore as much
as you want, but even 20 years ago when we had winter it got cold and
stayed that way most of the winter. Ice storms were rare. Now our
temps fluctuate between subzero and the 50s. Atleast we are still
getting enough cold weather to kill most  pasture worms and othrer
pests. And the local utility has a deal on propane-fueled generators
rto alleviate the week-long power outages that are now business as
usual.

Marie
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