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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homesteading and beyond ... was Corn Fed
  • Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:08:47 -0800

Ah, James, that's kinda what I said. The homestead should support itself and its occupants. Not sales for the purpose of acquiring gold but for the purpose of sustaining the homestead. There are things that do not grow in all areas.

And it isn't things that the agri-business models seems to need -- fertilizers, Frankenseeds, etc.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>

Our definitons would still vary. And historically those on homestead or
pasoral economy often, if not most often, did other things not directly related to
farming or husbandry. My grandfather was by any definition a homesteader, I
doubt he ever ate a bite that he didn't grow and cooked with wood etc. But he
was also a barber. His father likewise ran a pastoral economy as the basis
of the family's sustinence, but he was also a cobbler (among other things).

Yet during their times people of ordinary means spent anywhere from 40% to
75% of their income on food. During some historical times it was a much higher
percentage. And I'm not referring to hard times. Just as we are accustomed
to spending (in the usual modern economic model) less than 10% of our income on
food, at the time of our grandparents it was much, much more than that.

My grandparents paid property taxes by selling cows and tobacco. They didn't
buy gasoline, electricity, phone service, insurance, internet access, etc.
The amount they spent on oil for lighting, cloth for clothes, replacement
tools etc. was a rare trifle. They used rails for fences.

What I would point out is that in our past, the homestead produced something
that was a valuable commodity in the affairs of people, that is, food. People
were used to spending half or more of their income on it. AND those
homesteads had very, very modest cash needs. Their agriculture was before the Green
Revolution and so did not require the cash inputs of diesel, fertilizer,
manchinery payments, and interest on all the above.

Fast forward to now of days. Food makes up less than 10% of people's budgets
and the cash expenses of modern life are many orders more huge than that of
our ancestors. What we can produce by completely sustainable methods does not
net much. So we have to modernize into cash outlays in order to have modern
cash inputs.

I understand you definition, Lynda. It makes sense and holds water. But the
modern paradigm that passes for 'homestead' has no historical precedent.

So I tend to draw the line at the natrual carrying capacity of the homestead.
If the operation is completely sustainable without outside input of fuel,
feed, or fertilizer (as was aslo true of our ancestors' homesteads), then the
opearation is still a homestead both by my modern definition and an old
traditional one. But if it can only operate by means of cash derived inputs, it is,
in my parlance a Country Farmer Esquire type operation simply making one's cash
do rural busy-work. Or else if we enter into that cash outlay for cash
income model, we are following an agribusiness model.

James


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