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Ask this boy who is paying for what would normally be very high health 
insurance , Leslie.  Other people have been honest about this part of their 
lives, something for which this boy seems to lack capacity.  He is, of course 
, making veiled references to 'wannabe bob', with his comments.  One thing 
'wannabe bob' has always done, is remain independent of any mooching off the 
system in any way, or off of any other people.

When another list member told of spending a good portion of her life paying 
off medical bills for her son, the boy brushed it aside like it was nothing; 
though it was bigger than 'any' accomplishement that he had ever made.  

Evidently he has worked out a way for the taxpayers to pick up the cost of 
anything other than a nomianl contribution.  That could be fine, if he could 
be completely honest, instead of pretending that he is running a fiercely 
independnt , self- reliant, libertarian, homestead.

When Roxanne, and others have commented on the health insurance issue, it was 
with openness and honesty about an issue that affects us all; it had become a 
real issue that makes one think about their lifelong views on such matters, 
or at least it did me.  I am still trying and am capable of learning.  Some 
people stop trying to learn and only judge.

I made the misdtake of confiding in private email on some matters with James. 
 Though I kept a large part of my situation from him; fortunately, he is 
using some of what I did tell him, as a lingering show of what he considers a 
big deal.  He is without honor.  

Listen to whom you desire, including James.  He is very smart about the best 
way to apply manure and such.  But, listen to others; people who have empathy 
toward others, people without bigotry; people who try to understand rather 
than Judge, people qwho have 'lived life', when it comes to more esoteric 
philisophical issues and the realities of living in a country and culture 
inhabited by the 'other'.  I have lived and prospered among 'the other' all 
of my adult life.  I embrace, rather than fear, "the other".  The kind of 
indifference people like James displays is sometimes called bigotry -- as he 
has been called regularly, by others, on this list over the years. But, with 
him, maybe it is simply igniorance; I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I do want a respite from modern society.  A place to be free of all contacats 
, pressures, tresspasses, and annoyances from those who are uninvited .  For 
that to be real, for me, it means to keep as much privacy from everything, 
including the gov't, as I can possibly buy.    That is the truth.  Why that 
would seem to bother the James so much I don't understand.  He chose a 
different path, he does what most do and settled back home wher he was raised 
among family and and boyhood friends.  I find no fault with that, but it 
isn't my choice.

I asked James to let this go, more than once.  james does not know how to let 
an issue go; he has to needle and nag, like a toothless old fish-wife.

I have actually used commerce to provide a decent life for myself for 
decades.  James is a self admitted " subsistence homessteader"; "dirt 
farmer"; I forget the other terms he has used to describe , on the list, what 
he is , over the years.   His only knowledge of the business of real commerce 
is what he has read in books and magazines, or as working for wages paid by 
other men.  

You are still relatively new on this list; there are other new members , 
also.  This is a new year.  I am a man of many frailities, mistakes, and 
contradictions.  I have been wrong and I have done wrong, more than a few 
times.  But, on this list, I do attempt, as do most list members, to be open 
and honest about my situation.  Be ver careful with whom you spend a lot of 
time on the wrong issue.  

Now , James, I'm sure you won't just let this go.  So, go ahead with your 
next round of non-sense, son.  Continue to expose your self for what you 
really are.  You have no excuses.  You are certainly intellectually capable, 
and you seem to have utter disregard for the concerns of anyone but yourself. 
 But, I told you beforwe, I will remain to see that no other decent people 
are run off because of your bullying acts of bigotry  and hostility.  Like 
you, I have been semi-retired for a long time, and right now, have plenty of 
time to spend at the computer.  It seems that you have more time than me, but 
I have enough.

For anyone, other than James (yawn), I might have offended by using their 
names or alluding to their posts, I apologize in advance..........


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--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

> From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:38 AM
> > >I disagree,,,, there is time, but not in terms of
> years or making a 
> > decision - decision making time tends to need to be
> made within a few short 
> > weeks/months once the top is in.
> 
> For someone who proposes to strategically increase their
> discretionary wealth 
> over time by means of trading gold this might be germane. 
> But this gold 
> discussion came from the proposition that if someone were
> not homesteading right 
> now and they decided at some point in the future that it
> was the "right time" 
> to begin homesteading, having some gold coins to jingle
> about would be as good, 
> if not better, preparation than getting oneself on some
> land, any land, and 
> begin laying in the necessities and improving the soil.
> 
> It doesn't matter why such a prospective homesteader
> would be looking toward 
> homesteading.  It might be for a new economic base in their
> affairs or it 
> might be under the notion of living an undocumented
> existence below the radar of 
> the authorities.  But let's suppose the
> "time" has come and we're ready to head 
> to the homestead.  If "wealth" has been stored as
> grain, beans, canned goods, 
> tools, stoves, and improvement in the soil, it doesn't
> matter when that 
> "time" comes, you are ready.  
> 
> But suppose the strategy is to put your money in gold with
> the plan that when 
> the "time" comes, you cash in the gold and buy
> all the above things (with the 
> exception of soil fertility which you can't buy).  The
> "time" under some 
> models being viewed under the umbrella difinition of
> homesteading is when the 
> authorities or creditors bid fair to come knocking.  So one
> goes jingling out the 
> back door with their pocket full of gold coins.   But
> suppose this is a low 
> point in the price of gold?  Suppose, as is rapidly
> becoming the case, the 
> authorities tightly monitor the buying and selling of gold?
> 
> Leslie, the sorts of things you talk about in trading of
> gold, that is 
> prediciting a bubble or significant rise, buying before the
> rise, and selling at 
> some advantage at an elevated price ... is a paradigm based
> on reality and 
> happens all the time, has happened all the time through
> monetary history.
> 
> But the ficticious notion of salting away some gold coins
> and in an emergency 
> (general or personal) going to some remote landholder and
> slapping down some 
> coins for land, or going to the farm supply or stock yards
> and slapping down a 
> coin or two for what you need is a pure fabrication with no
> examples of it 
> ever having happened.
> 
> I might add that the paradigm of acquiring and occupying
> land before an 
> emergency (general or personal), stocking it with
> foodstuffs, fuel, and tools, 
> slowly building the soil fertility and one's own skills
> and strenght ... is also a 
> tried and true formula that has been done for ages and
> continues to be done 
> even as we speak.
> 
> As for the place of gold in the homestead plan, trading
> gold is one way of 
> making money.  But so is driving a taxi, raising cows, or
> doing woodwork.  Gold 
> trading has no real advantages over any of those latter
> methods and has its 
> own risks and drawbacks.  Apart from that the notion of
> stuffing value into some 
> gold coins, in effect stuffing a homestead into some coins,
> so one can slink 
> off somewhere and cash out the homestead in a pinch is, to
> put it bluntly, an 
> idiotic proposal.
> 
> 
> James
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