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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Great advice.  I agree.  I have gotten my Rx from optometrist and been 
treated the same way for not purchasing the lenses with them.  They do not 
like it.  I think the only reason I got the script was because I used to be 
the scrub tech for one of the docs on staff (he was an excellent surgeon, but 
in the 2000 market crash lost most everything and in his retirement years was 
working part time as an optometrist).  Actually he and I were invited to go 
to China for 3 years as part of a larger group to teach western med to 
Chinese, long long ago.
 
And I agree about the being embarrased to have been part of the medical 
system - allthough I went on strike long ago.  I can believe they call some 
of this stuff medical practice these days.  The doc I went to for years did 
not accept insurance.  And she spent as much time as needed with patients - 
no revolving door treatments.  And was very open to alternative treatments, 
and doing the minimal.  
 
Mostly I just avoid going to see docs - as I usually wind up arguing with 
them.  
 
Anticipating rough times ahead, I did do some thorough work on my teeth last 
year and had the basics checked pre-surgery this year.  I am blessed with 
health, and cursed with a family history of longevity... LOL.  Cursed because 
I'm not so sure I want to be battling the elements and mother nature at an 
advanced age.  
 
When I was in high school, I read a book called Alas, Babylon.  My 
quasi-instruction to survivalism post nuclear war, and did not even discuss 
medical emergencies.  In my early years, I thought in those terms, of how to 
survive a major nuclear war.  Later I thought I would rather just perish and 
moved closed to a military base next to a nuclear power plant LOL.  At least 
all the reading for that helped prepare for a major Cat 5 hurricane.  There 
is very little that will help this generation prepare for a Dark Ages II.

 
 

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net> wrote:

In almost all states the optometrist/ophthalmologist must provide you 
with your prescription and the optician you last saw must provide you 
with the physical measurements needed for visual corrections ON YOUR 
REQUEST. 

People/behaviors like this make me embarrassed to have ever been a part 
of the medical system.  I report every one now, and I wish everyone else 
did.  



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Your ability to manuever the system is admirable, Susan.  I have also fought, 
fired, and, brought cases against Docs to Bomex.  The problem can be 
difficult, though, depending on situation.  I live in a very large city where 
there is a lot of competition bewteen docs.  And lawyers don't mind 
bankrupting docs.  Soemone living in a smaller town might be in a position 
where their three docs, and four lawyers are all a member of the same country 
club and/or church/temple.  Those associations do matter.

The problem we might soon face is that if helathcare become centralized under 
government, there will be gov. offices to which you complain, but who will 
care?  If you complain about government workers today, the worst that happens 
is they are moved to a position away from you.  The government rarely 
termintates or even harshly reprimands though within its own family.

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--- On Tue, 12/23/08, sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net> wrote:

> From: sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net>
> Subject: [Homestead] was Dr. Dr. Give me some news, now bad behavior in the 
> medical field
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:38 AM
> EarthNSky wrote:
> > First appointment today was the ophthalmologist...good
> news there-my
> > pressures are at the high end of normal..yeah.. I got
> a new prescription
> > for glasses, but the doc is an a-hole and was
> definitely in his a-hole
> > mood today.  He was such a PITA that I am considering
> filing a report
> > against him.  Long story short, I will have to pay an
> optometrist to
> > make the measurements of my eyes that are needed to
> get my glasses via
> > mail, as the one today refused to do it saying he is
> treating me for
> > this and this and this, not so that I can get cheap
> glasses from a
> > company he has never heard of.  And that was just the
> beginning.
> >
> This is exactly the kind of stuff I referenced in a post
> gone by.....and
> common.  It seems these folks are so used to having it
> their way ($$$$)
> that we shouldn't ever dare impede them...
>
> In almost all states the optometrist/ophthalmologist must
> provide you
> with your prescription and the optician you last saw must
> provide you
> with the physical measurements needed for visual
> corrections ON YOUR
> REQUEST.
>
> You can also get someone else to make them; they are simple
>
> measurements, not rocket science.  Here's what I did,
> in Maine, but
> doesn't matter the state
> .
>     1) Call the licensing or regulatory  board in your
> state and ask
> about whether or not the optician is required to supply the
> information
> to you.  If negative, have someone else do the measuring.
> It is simple,
> only requires a decent metric rule, someone to read it, and
> good light.
> Call Zenni if you need instructions about the
> what-to-measure.
>     2) If answer is positive, you can still, of course, do
> the
> measurements yourself of with help of another person.  What
> I did,
> simply because I felt like forcing the issue, was to call
> the optician
> back, ask again for the measurements, and when they
> declined, I calmly
> stated that I didn't understand, I'd thought they
> were a reputable
> business and since I just 10 minutes ago talked to
> Mr_______ at the
> state regulatory board who stated these measurements must
> be supplied, I
> hadn't expected to be lied to.  I gave her about 5
> seconds to react and
> when she didn't stated that I would be filing a report
> with Mr_______
> concerning their refusal to comply with the law.  Suddenly
> she needed to
> "consult with someone", put me on hold for a bit
> and returned with the
> measurements.  Took all of 15 minutes total, got the phone
> slammed in my
> ear to end the process, but I got the measurements......
>     3) I filed a report anyway, citing the several
> unsuccessful calls I
> had made previously and the fact that I'd had to hold
> the law over their
> heads to get the measurements, and the phone slamming, just
> for the h***
> of it.  Most licensing boards take a dim view of bad
> attitude toward the
> patient/customer.
>     4) If it's the prescription you couldn't get,
> follow the same
> procedure, although the licensing/regulatory board may be a
> different
> one.  I've never heard of a state not requiring them to
> give you a copy
> of your script, but I've sure had plenty of trouble
> getting them and
> have had to follow the above path in IN, VA, and ME so far.
>
> People/behaviors like this make me embarrassed to have ever
> been a part
> of the medical system.  I report every one now, and I wish
> everyone else
> did.  In most states that information (reports of negative
> interactions
> within the medical field) is available now on the net and I
> use it when
> I need to make changes in whom I see for medical services.
> If more
> people reported and more people consulted such information,
> we could be
> a little safer.  It's not much but it's about all
> we've got.
>
> Anyway.  You don't have to do it at all, of course,
> just call Zenni or
> whoever for the what/how instructions (very simple) and
> have Ron (or
> anyone else who can read a metric rule, which ought to be
> just about
> anyone you know....) do it.  Grrr.
>
> SJ
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