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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

That sucks.  It is a shame that most people, even say most people who shop in 
co-ops or grow some of their own vegetables or try to buy organic; don't 
realize how gov't regulation. intrusion, etc. is affecting not only liberty 
and self -reliance but in the long term, the very food safety about which 
everyone seems to care.

  Another wild idea, could people incorporate as a "commune" or "order" , 
even if they don't live on the same land ?  Like "the farm" in TN, or "The 
Mennonites, etc", but just not live together?  That's all rhetorical and 
ridiculous but, that is what statist intrusion leads one to do to try and 
achieve what should be most simple...................

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--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Food Safety
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:23 AM
> Bob; there's technically a 'raw milk license' in
> PA, but anyone who has one 
> will tell you that they are harassed beyond belief by the
> PDA. People doing 
> 'cow shate' (where other people don't buy the
> milk, but buy a share of the 
> cow) are regularly dragged into court. I don't know if
> they win or not, but 
> who wants to live that way? Their plan is working.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga Co. PA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Food Safety
> 
> 
> > Lynn, is there now a way around the law in PA?  What I
> mean is could you 
> > call yourself a "co-op" and let anyone
> instantly join the "co-op" if they 
> > wanted to buy cheese or raw milk, etc?   I guess not, 
> or you would be 
> > doing so,......... 'just thinking out loud....
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Food Safety
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:04 AM
> >> Between this and the Ohio story, small farmers
> will
> >> eventually give up. They
> >> will get jobs in town and raise and eat their own
> healthy
> >> organic food, and
> >> let everyone else eat factory food. The rest of
> the country
> >> will lose. It
> >> should be going the opposite way, but isn't.
> >>
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "bob ford"
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:59 AM
> >> Subject: [Homestead] Food Safety
> >>
> >>
> >> > this article is in this am NYT.  Read the
> second
> >> paragraph carefully.  The
> >> > beauracrats at the FDA are getting ready for
> much more
> >> power during the
> >> > upcoming administration and congress.  They
> desire to
> >> stop food problems
> >> > "at the souce" including
> >> "domestic" sources.  Now, you really
> think they
> >> > will be going after big ag, or will it be the
> small
> >> farmer who becomes
> >> > regualted to the point of t errorism
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >> > Editorial
> >> >
> >> > Grading Progress on Food Safety
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Published: December 6, 2008
> >> >
> >> > The Food and Drug Administration is claiming
> >> considerable progress over
> >> > the past year in protecting the nation’s
> food supply
> >> from pathogens and
> >> > toxic substances. But the steps described in
> its
> >> self-assessment warrant
> >> > only a so-so grade.
> >> >
> >> > The agency released a report this week
> describing what
> >> officials call a
> >> > “hugely ambitious” campaign to redesign
> the whole
> >> approach to food
> >> > inspection. The goal is to root out tainted
> food —
> >> whether produced abroad
> >> > or in this country — at the earliest stages
> of the
> >> production and
> >> > distribution process while being ready to
> respond
> >> quickly if pathogens
> >> > start reaching consumers.
> >> >
> >> > The philosophy is sound. Imported foods are
> the focus
> >> of greatest concern.
> >> > And it makes good sense to detect and
> eliminate
> >> contamination at a
> >> > manufacturing or distribution plant abroad
> rather than
> >> trying to intercept
> >> > tainted products at our borders. It is
> encouraging
> >> that the agency has
> >> > already hired staff for new offices in China
> and India
> >> that will try to
> >> > ensure the safety of food products before
> they are
> >> exported. It also has
> >> > plans to open offices in Europe, Latin
> America and the
> >> Middle East as
> >> > well.
> >> >
> >> > The agency also deserves credit for approving
> the use
> >> of irradiation to
> >> > kill bacteria on spinach and iceberg lettuce;
> for
> >> developing methods to
> >> > detect even trace levels of melamine, a
> contaminant
> >> that has sickened a
> >> > horrifying number of infants in China; for
> inspecting
> >> some 5,900 “high
> >> > risk” domestic food establishments; and for
> starting
> >> to hire more than 100
> >> > new employees to conduct inspections and
> collect
> >> samples.
> >> >
> >> > None of this is enough to ease concerns over
> the
> >> safety of the food
> >> > supply. The F.D.A. regulates some 65,000 food
> firms in
> >> this country.
> >> > Inspecting 5,900 of them is only a modest
> beginning.
> >> While it is useful to
> >> > have offices abroad, it is not yet clear how
> >> effectively they will be
> >> > given some countries’ resistance to admit
> problems.
> >> >
> >> > By most accounts, the F.D.A. is still vastly
> >> underfinanced to carry out
> >> > its widening responsibilities. The Obama
> >> administration and the next
> >> > Congress will need to determine how much more
> money
> >> can be provided and
> >> > what additional legislative authority is
> needed to
> >> trace contaminants
> >> > through the food supply and recall tainted
> products.
> >> >
> >> > They should also re-examine whether the Bush
> >> administration’s heavy
> >> > reliance on the private sector to ensure
> safety needs
> >> to be rebalanced
> >> > with more effective and vigilant regulation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/opinion/06sat2.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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